Wacky Clutch
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Re: Wacky Clutch
I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
/Peter
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no
leaks
> > and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> > accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
>
> Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
/Peter
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:d3Lwd.379$2_4.184@okepread06...
> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no
leaks
> > and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> > accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
>
> Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
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Re: Wacky Clutch
No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
JimG
"Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
>
JimG
"Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
>
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Re: Wacky Clutch
No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
JimG
"Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
>
JimG
"Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
>
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Re: Wacky Clutch
No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
JimG
"Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
>
JimG
"Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
>
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Re: Wacky Clutch
It warmed up enough today for me to wander out to the garage and have a
look-see. Although the FSM uses the words "inspection cover" (no diagram) in
one spot, I can't see anything that would fit the description. I started it
up and tried to get it to do the "thunk thunk thunk" thing in the garage
while I could crawl under it, but no go. It seems I have to do a bunch of
city driving before that noise shows up.
/Peter
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41C3391D.25CC2500@sympatico.ca...
> Ouch....
>
> That could be something like a broken part that jammed the slave before
> falling to the bottom. Does yours have an inspection plate on the
> bottom you can open to see if any 'fingers' are laying around down
> there?
>
> Mike
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41C32E33.D7D121EA@sympatico.ca...
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Haven't done that for a while, funny....
> > >
> > > It froze on. Literally.
> > >
> > > Hit any puddles just before?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > '02 TJ with 4L and NV3550:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a clue as to what would make clutch disengagement
> > > > intermittent???
> > > >
> > > > I'm driving through a little village and press the clutch pedal to
> > change
> > > > gears, and _nothing_ happens - the clutch remains engaged. I force
it
> > into
> > > > neutral, then can't get it into any gear at all. No amount of clutch
> > pedal
> > > > pumping makes any difference. Not rolling anymore, I shut the motor
off
> > and
> > > > put it into first gear, then start it up with the clutch pedal
pushed
> > in.
> > > > The TJ lurches a little bit, the the clutch "breaks free" and
everything
> > is
> > > > completely normal for the three mile drive home, clutch is working
fine.
> > > >
> > > > The powertrain is still nominally under warranty, so I call the
dealer
> > and
> > > > make an appointed. The fifteen mile trip to the dealer is completely
> > normal,
> > > > clutch working fine. Naturally, after keeping it for a couple of
days,
> > > > Dealer calls and says there's nothing wrong with it.
> > > >
> > > > What gives? Could this somehow be related to the increasing
noisiness
> > for
> > > > the normally noisy NV3550?
> > > >
> > > > /Peter
look-see. Although the FSM uses the words "inspection cover" (no diagram) in
one spot, I can't see anything that would fit the description. I started it
up and tried to get it to do the "thunk thunk thunk" thing in the garage
while I could crawl under it, but no go. It seems I have to do a bunch of
city driving before that noise shows up.
/Peter
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41C3391D.25CC2500@sympatico.ca...
> Ouch....
>
> That could be something like a broken part that jammed the slave before
> falling to the bottom. Does yours have an inspection plate on the
> bottom you can open to see if any 'fingers' are laying around down
> there?
>
> Mike
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41C32E33.D7D121EA@sympatico.ca...
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Haven't done that for a while, funny....
> > >
> > > It froze on. Literally.
> > >
> > > Hit any puddles just before?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > '02 TJ with 4L and NV3550:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a clue as to what would make clutch disengagement
> > > > intermittent???
> > > >
> > > > I'm driving through a little village and press the clutch pedal to
> > change
> > > > gears, and _nothing_ happens - the clutch remains engaged. I force
it
> > into
> > > > neutral, then can't get it into any gear at all. No amount of clutch
> > pedal
> > > > pumping makes any difference. Not rolling anymore, I shut the motor
off
> > and
> > > > put it into first gear, then start it up with the clutch pedal
pushed
> > in.
> > > > The TJ lurches a little bit, the the clutch "breaks free" and
everything
> > is
> > > > completely normal for the three mile drive home, clutch is working
fine.
> > > >
> > > > The powertrain is still nominally under warranty, so I call the
dealer
> > and
> > > > make an appointed. The fifteen mile trip to the dealer is completely
> > normal,
> > > > clutch working fine. Naturally, after keeping it for a couple of
days,
> > > > Dealer calls and says there's nothing wrong with it.
> > > >
> > > > What gives? Could this somehow be related to the increasing
noisiness
> > for
> > > > the normally noisy NV3550?
> > > >
> > > > /Peter
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Re: Wacky Clutch
It warmed up enough today for me to wander out to the garage and have a
look-see. Although the FSM uses the words "inspection cover" (no diagram) in
one spot, I can't see anything that would fit the description. I started it
up and tried to get it to do the "thunk thunk thunk" thing in the garage
while I could crawl under it, but no go. It seems I have to do a bunch of
city driving before that noise shows up.
/Peter
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41C3391D.25CC2500@sympatico.ca...
> Ouch....
>
> That could be something like a broken part that jammed the slave before
> falling to the bottom. Does yours have an inspection plate on the
> bottom you can open to see if any 'fingers' are laying around down
> there?
>
> Mike
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41C32E33.D7D121EA@sympatico.ca...
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Haven't done that for a while, funny....
> > >
> > > It froze on. Literally.
> > >
> > > Hit any puddles just before?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > '02 TJ with 4L and NV3550:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a clue as to what would make clutch disengagement
> > > > intermittent???
> > > >
> > > > I'm driving through a little village and press the clutch pedal to
> > change
> > > > gears, and _nothing_ happens - the clutch remains engaged. I force
it
> > into
> > > > neutral, then can't get it into any gear at all. No amount of clutch
> > pedal
> > > > pumping makes any difference. Not rolling anymore, I shut the motor
off
> > and
> > > > put it into first gear, then start it up with the clutch pedal
pushed
> > in.
> > > > The TJ lurches a little bit, the the clutch "breaks free" and
everything
> > is
> > > > completely normal for the three mile drive home, clutch is working
fine.
> > > >
> > > > The powertrain is still nominally under warranty, so I call the
dealer
> > and
> > > > make an appointed. The fifteen mile trip to the dealer is completely
> > normal,
> > > > clutch working fine. Naturally, after keeping it for a couple of
days,
> > > > Dealer calls and says there's nothing wrong with it.
> > > >
> > > > What gives? Could this somehow be related to the increasing
noisiness
> > for
> > > > the normally noisy NV3550?
> > > >
> > > > /Peter
look-see. Although the FSM uses the words "inspection cover" (no diagram) in
one spot, I can't see anything that would fit the description. I started it
up and tried to get it to do the "thunk thunk thunk" thing in the garage
while I could crawl under it, but no go. It seems I have to do a bunch of
city driving before that noise shows up.
/Peter
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41C3391D.25CC2500@sympatico.ca...
> Ouch....
>
> That could be something like a broken part that jammed the slave before
> falling to the bottom. Does yours have an inspection plate on the
> bottom you can open to see if any 'fingers' are laying around down
> there?
>
> Mike
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41C32E33.D7D121EA@sympatico.ca...
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Haven't done that for a while, funny....
> > >
> > > It froze on. Literally.
> > >
> > > Hit any puddles just before?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > '02 TJ with 4L and NV3550:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a clue as to what would make clutch disengagement
> > > > intermittent???
> > > >
> > > > I'm driving through a little village and press the clutch pedal to
> > change
> > > > gears, and _nothing_ happens - the clutch remains engaged. I force
it
> > into
> > > > neutral, then can't get it into any gear at all. No amount of clutch
> > pedal
> > > > pumping makes any difference. Not rolling anymore, I shut the motor
off
> > and
> > > > put it into first gear, then start it up with the clutch pedal
pushed
> > in.
> > > > The TJ lurches a little bit, the the clutch "breaks free" and
everything
> > is
> > > > completely normal for the three mile drive home, clutch is working
fine.
> > > >
> > > > The powertrain is still nominally under warranty, so I call the
dealer
> > and
> > > > make an appointed. The fifteen mile trip to the dealer is completely
> > normal,
> > > > clutch working fine. Naturally, after keeping it for a couple of
days,
> > > > Dealer calls and says there's nothing wrong with it.
> > > >
> > > > What gives? Could this somehow be related to the increasing
noisiness
> > for
> > > > the normally noisy NV3550?
> > > >
> > > > /Peter
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Re: Wacky Clutch
It warmed up enough today for me to wander out to the garage and have a
look-see. Although the FSM uses the words "inspection cover" (no diagram) in
one spot, I can't see anything that would fit the description. I started it
up and tried to get it to do the "thunk thunk thunk" thing in the garage
while I could crawl under it, but no go. It seems I have to do a bunch of
city driving before that noise shows up.
/Peter
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41C3391D.25CC2500@sympatico.ca...
> Ouch....
>
> That could be something like a broken part that jammed the slave before
> falling to the bottom. Does yours have an inspection plate on the
> bottom you can open to see if any 'fingers' are laying around down
> there?
>
> Mike
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41C32E33.D7D121EA@sympatico.ca...
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Haven't done that for a while, funny....
> > >
> > > It froze on. Literally.
> > >
> > > Hit any puddles just before?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > '02 TJ with 4L and NV3550:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a clue as to what would make clutch disengagement
> > > > intermittent???
> > > >
> > > > I'm driving through a little village and press the clutch pedal to
> > change
> > > > gears, and _nothing_ happens - the clutch remains engaged. I force
it
> > into
> > > > neutral, then can't get it into any gear at all. No amount of clutch
> > pedal
> > > > pumping makes any difference. Not rolling anymore, I shut the motor
off
> > and
> > > > put it into first gear, then start it up with the clutch pedal
pushed
> > in.
> > > > The TJ lurches a little bit, the the clutch "breaks free" and
everything
> > is
> > > > completely normal for the three mile drive home, clutch is working
fine.
> > > >
> > > > The powertrain is still nominally under warranty, so I call the
dealer
> > and
> > > > make an appointed. The fifteen mile trip to the dealer is completely
> > normal,
> > > > clutch working fine. Naturally, after keeping it for a couple of
days,
> > > > Dealer calls and says there's nothing wrong with it.
> > > >
> > > > What gives? Could this somehow be related to the increasing
noisiness
> > for
> > > > the normally noisy NV3550?
> > > >
> > > > /Peter
look-see. Although the FSM uses the words "inspection cover" (no diagram) in
one spot, I can't see anything that would fit the description. I started it
up and tried to get it to do the "thunk thunk thunk" thing in the garage
while I could crawl under it, but no go. It seems I have to do a bunch of
city driving before that noise shows up.
/Peter
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41C3391D.25CC2500@sympatico.ca...
> Ouch....
>
> That could be something like a broken part that jammed the slave before
> falling to the bottom. Does yours have an inspection plate on the
> bottom you can open to see if any 'fingers' are laying around down
> there?
>
> Mike
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41C32E33.D7D121EA@sympatico.ca...
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Haven't done that for a while, funny....
> > >
> > > It froze on. Literally.
> > >
> > > Hit any puddles just before?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > '02 TJ with 4L and NV3550:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a clue as to what would make clutch disengagement
> > > > intermittent???
> > > >
> > > > I'm driving through a little village and press the clutch pedal to
> > change
> > > > gears, and _nothing_ happens - the clutch remains engaged. I force
it
> > into
> > > > neutral, then can't get it into any gear at all. No amount of clutch
> > pedal
> > > > pumping makes any difference. Not rolling anymore, I shut the motor
off
> > and
> > > > put it into first gear, then start it up with the clutch pedal
pushed
> > in.
> > > > The TJ lurches a little bit, the the clutch "breaks free" and
everything
> > is
> > > > completely normal for the three mile drive home, clutch is working
fine.
> > > >
> > > > The powertrain is still nominally under warranty, so I call the
dealer
> > and
> > > > make an appointed. The fifteen mile trip to the dealer is completely
> > normal,
> > > > clutch working fine. Naturally, after keeping it for a couple of
days,
> > > > Dealer calls and says there's nothing wrong with it.
> > > >
> > > > What gives? Could this somehow be related to the increasing
noisiness
> > for
> > > > the normally noisy NV3550?
> > > >
> > > > /Peter
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Re: Wacky Clutch
I plan to. The trouble is I'm so rarely in the vicinity of the dealer during
business hours, so it may take a while before I can bring it in while it's
good and hot and making its noises.
/Peter
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:mnMwd.8536$Od.4103@news01.roc.ny...
> No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
>
> JimG
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> > That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
> >
>
>
business hours, so it may take a while before I can bring it in while it's
good and hot and making its noises.
/Peter
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:mnMwd.8536$Od.4103@news01.roc.ny...
> No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
>
> JimG
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> > That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
> >
>
>
Guest
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Re: Wacky Clutch
I plan to. The trouble is I'm so rarely in the vicinity of the dealer during
business hours, so it may take a while before I can bring it in while it's
good and hot and making its noises.
/Peter
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
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> No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
>
> JimG
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> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> > That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
> >
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business hours, so it may take a while before I can bring it in while it's
good and hot and making its noises.
/Peter
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
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> No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
>
> JimG
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> > That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
> >
>
>
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Re: Wacky Clutch
I plan to. The trouble is I'm so rarely in the vicinity of the dealer during
business hours, so it may take a while before I can bring it in while it's
good and hot and making its noises.
/Peter
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:mnMwd.8536$Od.4103@news01.roc.ny...
> No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
>
> JimG
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> > That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
> >
>
>
business hours, so it may take a while before I can bring it in while it's
good and hot and making its noises.
/Peter
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:mnMwd.8536$Od.4103@news01.roc.ny...
> No... I'd be more firm with the $teeler and show/let them hear the noise.
>
> JimG
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
> > That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
> >
>
>
