Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
08-24-2004, 07:13 PM
#31
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
Gotcha!
It's the lateral stress on the bearings. Easy to vision with a photo.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> You may see why, just by looking at the teeth, one way the gears
> just push on a flat surface like the stairs we climb, the other way,
> half the energy of the bearing are devoted to just hanging on:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Do they actually break often when run opposite or is it just they break
> > when extracting and usually the extraction is done in reverse so it
> > seems that way?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > That's very definitely true. The ring & pinion gears are definitely
> > > stronger when running in one direction vs. the other.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> > > > A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> > > > one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> > > > gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> > > > forward and not reverse.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> > > > importantly, for Jeeps?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
It's the lateral stress on the bearings. Easy to vision with a photo.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> You may see why, just by looking at the teeth, one way the gears
> just push on a flat surface like the stairs we climb, the other way,
> half the energy of the bearing are devoted to just hanging on:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Do they actually break often when run opposite or is it just they break
> > when extracting and usually the extraction is done in reverse so it
> > seems that way?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > That's very definitely true. The ring & pinion gears are definitely
> > > stronger when running in one direction vs. the other.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> > > > A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> > > > one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> > > > gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> > > > forward and not reverse.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> > > > importantly, for Jeeps?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
08-24-2004, 07:13 PM
#32
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
Gotcha!
It's the lateral stress on the bearings. Easy to vision with a photo.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> You may see why, just by looking at the teeth, one way the gears
> just push on a flat surface like the stairs we climb, the other way,
> half the energy of the bearing are devoted to just hanging on:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Do they actually break often when run opposite or is it just they break
> > when extracting and usually the extraction is done in reverse so it
> > seems that way?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > That's very definitely true. The ring & pinion gears are definitely
> > > stronger when running in one direction vs. the other.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> > > > A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> > > > one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> > > > gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> > > > forward and not reverse.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> > > > importantly, for Jeeps?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
It's the lateral stress on the bearings. Easy to vision with a photo.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> You may see why, just by looking at the teeth, one way the gears
> just push on a flat surface like the stairs we climb, the other way,
> half the energy of the bearing are devoted to just hanging on:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Do they actually break often when run opposite or is it just they break
> > when extracting and usually the extraction is done in reverse so it
> > seems that way?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > That's very definitely true. The ring & pinion gears are definitely
> > > stronger when running in one direction vs. the other.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> > > > A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> > > > one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> > > > gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> > > > forward and not reverse.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> > > > importantly, for Jeeps?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
08-24-2004, 10:19 PM
#33
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
Yes, it is true.
The ring and pinion gears are designed to take the load in one direction
more so than in the other. Sometimes there is no other way but to pull in
Reverse, but when given the option, ALWAYS pull forward.
"Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> forward and not reverse.
>
> Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> importantly, for Jeeps?
>
> Bob
The ring and pinion gears are designed to take the load in one direction
more so than in the other. Sometimes there is no other way but to pull in
Reverse, but when given the option, ALWAYS pull forward.
"Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> forward and not reverse.
>
> Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> importantly, for Jeeps?
>
> Bob
08-24-2004, 10:19 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
Yes, it is true.
The ring and pinion gears are designed to take the load in one direction
more so than in the other. Sometimes there is no other way but to pull in
Reverse, but when given the option, ALWAYS pull forward.
"Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> forward and not reverse.
>
> Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> importantly, for Jeeps?
>
> Bob
The ring and pinion gears are designed to take the load in one direction
more so than in the other. Sometimes there is no other way but to pull in
Reverse, but when given the option, ALWAYS pull forward.
"Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> forward and not reverse.
>
> Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> importantly, for Jeeps?
>
> Bob
08-24-2004, 10:19 PM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
Yes, it is true.
The ring and pinion gears are designed to take the load in one direction
more so than in the other. Sometimes there is no other way but to pull in
Reverse, but when given the option, ALWAYS pull forward.
"Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> forward and not reverse.
>
> Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> importantly, for Jeeps?
>
> Bob
The ring and pinion gears are designed to take the load in one direction
more so than in the other. Sometimes there is no other way but to pull in
Reverse, but when given the option, ALWAYS pull forward.
"Bob" <DaBobzz@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e154f2a0.0408241057.4dd7c133@posting.google.c om...
> A guy I know has a Land Rover Defender, and he says that when using
> one vehicle to rescue another vehicle it is important to be in forward
> gear. He says vehicles are designed to take that kind of stress in
> forward and not reverse.
>
> Anyone know if that is really true for Land Rovers? Or, more
> importantly, for Jeeps?
>
> Bob
08-24-2004, 10:39 PM
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
wrote:
>While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
>day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when the
>windshield wipers come on
>
>http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
>
If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
wrote:
>While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
>day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when the
>windshield wipers come on
>
>http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
>
If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
08-24-2004, 10:39 PM
#37
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
wrote:
>While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
>day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when the
>windshield wipers come on
>
>http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
>
If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
wrote:
>While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
>day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when the
>windshield wipers come on
>
>http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
>
If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
08-24-2004, 10:39 PM
#38
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
wrote:
>While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
>day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when the
>windshield wipers come on
>
>http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
>
If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
wrote:
>While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
>day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when the
>windshield wipers come on
>
>http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
>
If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
08-25-2004, 03:58 PM
#39
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
That has got to be a diesel...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gruni0lqfk21lie1v49i97s7j4c0bkjmic@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
> wrote:
>
> >While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
> >day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when
the
> >windshield wipers come on
> >
> >http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
> >
>
> If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
> deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
> snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
> driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gruni0lqfk21lie1v49i97s7j4c0bkjmic@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
> wrote:
>
> >While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
> >day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when
the
> >windshield wipers come on
> >
> >http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
> >
>
> If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
> deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
> snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
> driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA
08-25-2004, 03:58 PM
#40
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Re: Vehicle Recovery in Reverse Gear?
That has got to be a diesel...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gruni0lqfk21lie1v49i97s7j4c0bkjmic@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
> wrote:
>
> >While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
> >day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when
the
> >windshield wipers come on
> >
> >http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
> >
>
> If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
> deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
> snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
> driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gruni0lqfk21lie1v49i97s7j4c0bkjmic@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:26 -0600, "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com>
> wrote:
>
> >While on the Landy topic this is a cool video that I ran across the other
> >day. About 10 megs of low quality, but cool to watch. Especially when
the
> >windshield wipers come on
> >
> >http://www.orc-grenzland.de/filme/u-bj42.mpg
> >
>
> If you look at a freeze frame about half way thru the video in the
> deepest part of the crossing you will notice that the inlet for his
> snorkle gets to within about 1 inch of the water - he is one lucky
> driver. Or maybe he had a serious "onboard air" source.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA