V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
10-25-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Oct 25, 5:49 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
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> Cool. Let us know the real outcome. Not what a bought and paid for
> magazine would print.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
> > made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
> > some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
> > happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
> > rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
> > the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
> > organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
> > cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
> > from the flexing!
>
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Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
the vehicles were used hard.
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Cool. Let us know the real outcome. Not what a bought and paid for
> magazine would print.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
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> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:1193351380.205139.269050@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
> > made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
> > some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
> > happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
> > rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
> > the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
> > organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
> > cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
> > from the flexing!
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
the vehicles were used hard.
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
10-25-2007, 07:54 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
My '08 X weighs 310 pounds more than the '03 Sport I traded in.
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi.
>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
>> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
>> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
>> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
>> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
>> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>>
>> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
>> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
>> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>>
>
> Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to
> the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000
> lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what
> really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even
> the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as
> the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps.
>
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi.
>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
>> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
>> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
>> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
>> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
>> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>>
>> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
>> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
>> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>>
>
> Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to
> the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000
> lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what
> really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even
> the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as
> the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps.
>
10-25-2007, 07:54 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
My '08 X weighs 310 pounds more than the '03 Sport I traded in.
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi.
>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
>> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
>> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
>> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
>> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
>> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>>
>> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
>> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
>> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>>
>
> Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to
> the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000
> lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what
> really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even
> the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as
> the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps.
>
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi.
>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
>> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
>> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
>> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
>> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
>> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>>
>> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
>> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
>> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>>
>
> Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to
> the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000
> lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what
> really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even
> the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as
> the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps.
>
10-25-2007, 07:54 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
My '08 X weighs 310 pounds more than the '03 Sport I traded in.
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi.
>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
>> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
>> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
>> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
>> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
>> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>>
>> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
>> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
>> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>>
>
> Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to
> the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000
> lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what
> really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even
> the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as
> the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps.
>
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi.
>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
>> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
>> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
>> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
>> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
>> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>>
>> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
>> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
>> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>>
>
> Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to
> the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000
> lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what
> really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even
> the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as
> the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps.
>
10-25-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter"
<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote:
>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact
Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i
remember was in the Sebring two generations past).
this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is
more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned
for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving
characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle,
good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves.
a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html
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<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote:
>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact
Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i
remember was in the Sebring two generations past).
this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is
more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned
for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving
characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle,
good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves.
a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html
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10-25-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter"
<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote:
>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact
Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i
remember was in the Sebring two generations past).
this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is
more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned
for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving
characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle,
good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves.
a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html
reboot
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<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote:
>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact
Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i
remember was in the Sebring two generations past).
this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is
more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned
for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving
characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle,
good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves.
a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html
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10-25-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter"
<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote:
>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact
Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i
remember was in the Sebring two generations past).
this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is
more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned
for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving
characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle,
good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves.
a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html
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<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote:
>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact
Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i
remember was in the Sebring two generations past).
this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is
more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned
for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving
characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle,
good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves.
a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html
reboot
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10-25-2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I didn't see anything my '57 T-Bird couldn't easily drive. Look around
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
> understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
> better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
> the vehicles were used hard.
>
>
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
>
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
> understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
> better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
> the vehicles were used hard.
>
>
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
>
10-25-2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I didn't see anything my '57 T-Bird couldn't easily drive. Look around
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
> understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
> better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
> the vehicles were used hard.
>
>
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
>
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
> understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
> better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
> the vehicles were used hard.
>
>
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
>
10-25-2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I didn't see anything my '57 T-Bird couldn't easily drive. Look around
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
> understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
> better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
> the vehicles were used hard.
>
>
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
>
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will
> understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit
> better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and
> the vehicles were used hard.
>
>
http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK
>