V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
10-25-2007, 12:02 PM
#11
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
10-25-2007, 12:02 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
10-25-2007, 12:02 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
10-25-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>
10-25-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>
10-25-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>
10-25-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque engine
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
Cheers,
Earle
"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
Cheers,
Earle
"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>
10-25-2007, 01:39 PM
#18
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque engine
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
Cheers,
Earle
"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
Cheers,
Earle
"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>
10-25-2007, 01:39 PM
#19
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Posts: n/a
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque engine
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
Cheers,
Earle
"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
Cheers,
Earle
"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>
10-25-2007, 01:58 PM
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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Oct 25, 11:54 am, "Bill Spiliotopoulos" <vsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
> But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
> up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
> driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ,
> '06 TJ.
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
> >> Mitsubushi.
> >> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> >> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> > JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> > dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> > about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> > more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> > to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> > vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> > Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> > the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> > RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
> I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
> But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
> up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
> driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ,
> '06 TJ.
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
> >> Mitsubushi.
> >> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> >> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> > JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> > dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> > about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> > more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> > to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> > vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> > Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> > the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> > RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html