Billy Ray

If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
adding something to the gas tanks.

None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
don't break at convenient times.

I think I would just do one at a time....
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"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> It sure seems odd that both pumps would fail the same week.
>>
>
> Yeah, I thought so too, but it's also a coincidence that both Jeeps hit
> the 205,000 mile mark the same week. I just figure it's my luck. It's
> a big hit on the wallet to replace one of these pumps(even if I *am*
> doing the labor myself, but to do 2 in one week? There goes the beer
> money for this month :-(
>
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
> '95 Wrangler YJ
> TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13
>

Billy Ray

If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
adding something to the gas tanks.

None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
don't break at convenient times.

I think I would just do one at a time....
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> It sure seems odd that both pumps would fail the same week.
>>
>
> Yeah, I thought so too, but it's also a coincidence that both Jeeps hit
> the 205,000 mile mark the same week. I just figure it's my luck. It's
> a big hit on the wallet to replace one of these pumps(even if I *am*
> doing the labor myself, but to do 2 in one week? There goes the beer
> money for this month :-(
>
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
> '95 Wrangler YJ
> TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13
>

Billy Ray

If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
adding something to the gas tanks.

None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
don't break at convenient times.

I think I would just do one at a time....
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> It sure seems odd that both pumps would fail the same week.
>>
>
> Yeah, I thought so too, but it's also a coincidence that both Jeeps hit
> the 205,000 mile mark the same week. I just figure it's my luck. It's
> a big hit on the wallet to replace one of these pumps(even if I *am*
> doing the labor myself, but to do 2 in one week? There goes the beer
> money for this month :-(
>
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
> '95 Wrangler YJ
> TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13
>

Old Crow

Billy Ray wrote:
> If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
> you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
> see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
> adding something to the gas tanks.

We thought of that, but used two different stations for the gas. I
drive 135 miles a day to work and back. My wife works within 20 miles
of the house. I usually fillup near where I work, as it's about 10
cents cheaper than the stations near my house.
No neighbors within 1/4 mile, and the 5 or 6 nearest houses don't have
any kids.

>
> None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
> don't break at convenient times.

Tell me about it. I do this for a living(although for GM, not DC)and I
know what it's like to be on the road and broke down.

>
> I think I would just do one at a time....

After looking at the price of the pumps, I'll have to agree with you
here. I did find out that since the people that own the dealership I
work for also own a Chrysler dealership, I can get employee price over
there. Should save me a couple of hundred bucks(on the pair).
Funny thing, the outside temp dropped off yesterday, and last night on
the way home, the damn thing didn't miss a lick. Maybe if the fall
weather holds I can put one of them(guess which one?)off for a while.

--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
'95 Wrangler YJ
TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13

Old Crow

Billy Ray wrote:
> If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
> you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
> see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
> adding something to the gas tanks.

We thought of that, but used two different stations for the gas. I
drive 135 miles a day to work and back. My wife works within 20 miles
of the house. I usually fillup near where I work, as it's about 10
cents cheaper than the stations near my house.
No neighbors within 1/4 mile, and the 5 or 6 nearest houses don't have
any kids.

>
> None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
> don't break at convenient times.

Tell me about it. I do this for a living(although for GM, not DC)and I
know what it's like to be on the road and broke down.

>
> I think I would just do one at a time....

After looking at the price of the pumps, I'll have to agree with you
here. I did find out that since the people that own the dealership I
work for also own a Chrysler dealership, I can get employee price over
there. Should save me a couple of hundred bucks(on the pair).
Funny thing, the outside temp dropped off yesterday, and last night on
the way home, the damn thing didn't miss a lick. Maybe if the fall
weather holds I can put one of them(guess which one?)off for a while.

--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
'95 Wrangler YJ
TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13

Old Crow

Billy Ray wrote:
> If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
> you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
> see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
> adding something to the gas tanks.

We thought of that, but used two different stations for the gas. I
drive 135 miles a day to work and back. My wife works within 20 miles
of the house. I usually fillup near where I work, as it's about 10
cents cheaper than the stations near my house.
No neighbors within 1/4 mile, and the 5 or 6 nearest houses don't have
any kids.

>
> None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
> don't break at convenient times.

Tell me about it. I do this for a living(although for GM, not DC)and I
know what it's like to be on the road and broke down.

>
> I think I would just do one at a time....

After looking at the price of the pumps, I'll have to agree with you
here. I did find out that since the people that own the dealership I
work for also own a Chrysler dealership, I can get employee price over
there. Should save me a couple of hundred bucks(on the pair).
Funny thing, the outside temp dropped off yesterday, and last night on
the way home, the damn thing didn't miss a lick. Maybe if the fall
weather holds I can put one of them(guess which one?)off for a while.

--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
'95 Wrangler YJ
TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13

Jim Gemmill

Murphy's law had to be at work. Look out for number three.
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127986063.207027.132170@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> OK, I own 2 Wranglers. One, a '94, with the 6 cyl/5speed. The second,
> a '95 with the 4 cyl/5speed.
> They both just turned over 205,000 within the last 2 or 3 weeks.
>
> My Jeep(the '95)started bucking and cutting out, but only after driving
> it about 50 miles at a shot, and then, only on the way home, never on
> the way to work. You'd get home, park it for a few minutes, then you
> could drive away with no further problems.
> Did the usual tune-up stuff(f/filter, cap, rotor, wires, plugs)just
> 'cuz it was time, with no improvement.
> Then, several days later, I took the wife's Jeep to work. Well, on the
> way home, her's started acting the exact same way, at almost the exact
> same place(did I mention that my Jeep did this like 5 days in a row
> within a 1/4 mile of the same place each time?).
> Well, since both Jeeps were acting up I really had to find the problem.
> I brought a fuel pressure gauge home from work, and when the wife's
> Jeep started to act up, I stopped on the side of the road, hooked up
> the gauge, bungeed it to the hood and took off again.
> Sure enough, after a few minutes I noticed the fuel pressure start to
> drop off. When it got below 20 psi the bucking and cutting out began.
> OK, needs a fuel pump.
> So, Tuesday I loaded the gauge into *my* Jeep and off we went. The
> outside temps had dropped some, so it didn't act up on Tuesday night(or
> maybe because I actually had the gauge with me and wanted it to act
> up?).
> Well, we kept at it, and last night on the way home, I was able to
> verify that my fuel pressure also is dropping off. Great, now I need 2
> of them damn pumps.
> It's just weird that both Jeeps would develope the exact same problem,
> and manifest the exact same symptoms(down to acting up within a 1/4
> mile of the same place)at the same time.
> I can only conclude that the design life of the electric fuel pump is
> 200,000 miles.
> Anybody know a cheap on-line source for gen-u-wine, Jeep replacement
> pumps? Don't want an aftermarket, since the originals lasted so long,
> I want to use a factory part.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
> '95 Wrangler YJ
> TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#?
>

Jim Gemmill

Murphy's law had to be at work. Look out for number three.
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127986063.207027.132170@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> OK, I own 2 Wranglers. One, a '94, with the 6 cyl/5speed. The second,
> a '95 with the 4 cyl/5speed.
> They both just turned over 205,000 within the last 2 or 3 weeks.
>
> My Jeep(the '95)started bucking and cutting out, but only after driving
> it about 50 miles at a shot, and then, only on the way home, never on
> the way to work. You'd get home, park it for a few minutes, then you
> could drive away with no further problems.
> Did the usual tune-up stuff(f/filter, cap, rotor, wires, plugs)just
> 'cuz it was time, with no improvement.
> Then, several days later, I took the wife's Jeep to work. Well, on the
> way home, her's started acting the exact same way, at almost the exact
> same place(did I mention that my Jeep did this like 5 days in a row
> within a 1/4 mile of the same place each time?).
> Well, since both Jeeps were acting up I really had to find the problem.
> I brought a fuel pressure gauge home from work, and when the wife's
> Jeep started to act up, I stopped on the side of the road, hooked up
> the gauge, bungeed it to the hood and took off again.
> Sure enough, after a few minutes I noticed the fuel pressure start to
> drop off. When it got below 20 psi the bucking and cutting out began.
> OK, needs a fuel pump.
> So, Tuesday I loaded the gauge into *my* Jeep and off we went. The
> outside temps had dropped some, so it didn't act up on Tuesday night(or
> maybe because I actually had the gauge with me and wanted it to act
> up?).
> Well, we kept at it, and last night on the way home, I was able to
> verify that my fuel pressure also is dropping off. Great, now I need 2
> of them damn pumps.
> It's just weird that both Jeeps would develope the exact same problem,
> and manifest the exact same symptoms(down to acting up within a 1/4
> mile of the same place)at the same time.
> I can only conclude that the design life of the electric fuel pump is
> 200,000 miles.
> Anybody know a cheap on-line source for gen-u-wine, Jeep replacement
> pumps? Don't want an aftermarket, since the originals lasted so long,
> I want to use a factory part.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
> '95 Wrangler YJ
> TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#?
>

Jim Gemmill

Murphy's law had to be at work. Look out for number three.
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127986063.207027.132170@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> OK, I own 2 Wranglers. One, a '94, with the 6 cyl/5speed. The second,
> a '95 with the 4 cyl/5speed.
> They both just turned over 205,000 within the last 2 or 3 weeks.
>
> My Jeep(the '95)started bucking and cutting out, but only after driving
> it about 50 miles at a shot, and then, only on the way home, never on
> the way to work. You'd get home, park it for a few minutes, then you
> could drive away with no further problems.
> Did the usual tune-up stuff(f/filter, cap, rotor, wires, plugs)just
> 'cuz it was time, with no improvement.
> Then, several days later, I took the wife's Jeep to work. Well, on the
> way home, her's started acting the exact same way, at almost the exact
> same place(did I mention that my Jeep did this like 5 days in a row
> within a 1/4 mile of the same place each time?).
> Well, since both Jeeps were acting up I really had to find the problem.
> I brought a fuel pressure gauge home from work, and when the wife's
> Jeep started to act up, I stopped on the side of the road, hooked up
> the gauge, bungeed it to the hood and took off again.
> Sure enough, after a few minutes I noticed the fuel pressure start to
> drop off. When it got below 20 psi the bucking and cutting out began.
> OK, needs a fuel pump.
> So, Tuesday I loaded the gauge into *my* Jeep and off we went. The
> outside temps had dropped some, so it didn't act up on Tuesday night(or
> maybe because I actually had the gauge with me and wanted it to act
> up?).
> Well, we kept at it, and last night on the way home, I was able to
> verify that my fuel pressure also is dropping off. Great, now I need 2
> of them damn pumps.
> It's just weird that both Jeeps would develope the exact same problem,
> and manifest the exact same symptoms(down to acting up within a 1/4
> mile of the same place)at the same time.
> I can only conclude that the design life of the electric fuel pump is
> 200,000 miles.
> Anybody know a cheap on-line source for gen-u-wine, Jeep replacement
> pumps? Don't want an aftermarket, since the originals lasted so long,
> I want to use a factory part.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
> '95 Wrangler YJ
> TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#?
>

Peter Parker

In article <1128071961.444442.224800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>> If you hadn't already said you changed the fuel filters I would have said
>> you put a load of bad gas in the tanks.... the only other possibilities I
>> see are both intank screens clogging or perhaps a neighborhood hooligan
>> adding something to the gas tanks.
>
>We thought of that, but used two different stations for the gas. I
>drive 135 miles a day to work and back. My wife works within 20 miles
>of the house. I usually fillup near where I work, as it's about 10
>cents cheaper than the stations near my house.
>No neighbors within 1/4 mile, and the 5 or 6 nearest houses don't have
>any kids.
>
>>
>> None of those three possibilities seem real likely but.... usually things
>> don't break at convenient times.
>
>Tell me about it. I do this for a living(although for GM, not DC)and I
>know what it's like to be on the road and broke down.
>
>>
>> I think I would just do one at a time....
>
>After looking at the price of the pumps, I'll have to agree with you
>here. I did find out that since the people that own the dealership I
>work for also own a Chrysler dealership, I can get employee price over
>there. Should save me a couple of hundred bucks(on the pair).
>Funny thing, the outside temp dropped off yesterday, and last night on
>the way home, the damn thing didn't miss a lick. Maybe if the fall
>weather holds I can put one of them(guess which one?)off for a while.

My 94 YJ is also closing in on 205000 miles. The fuel return line started
acting up in hot weather. While taking town the tank, one of the tank
straps had to be cut. Waiting for that part now. Before that, I was driving
around with a 1.5 gal can to get as low as possible before removal. I did
notice that that return line wasn't leaking at all since the weather got
cooler. While inspecting the hose, it was a no-brainer to also have the
fuel line replaced as well.


How did the fuel pump work out for your hesitation problem?


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