Re: Update on my heater problem
 

IIRC its in the 4 to 5 amp range.

If the old one is really drawing 13 amps, it is toast internally. That
works out to 156 watts or 1/5 hp. Way too much. For comparison, 13 amps
is more than BOTH headlights on high beam.

Shazam wrote:

> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

IIRC its in the 4 to 5 amp range.

If the old one is really drawing 13 amps, it is toast internally. That
works out to 156 watts or 1/5 hp. Way too much. For comparison, 13 amps
is more than BOTH headlights on high beam.

Shazam wrote:

> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

IIRC its in the 4 to 5 amp range.

If the old one is really drawing 13 amps, it is toast internally. That
works out to 156 watts or 1/5 hp. Way too much. For comparison, 13 amps
is more than BOTH headlights on high beam.

Shazam wrote:

> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

The heater fuses on mine are 25 amp.

This 'strongly' implies the heater can draw up to 20 amps when running.
My alternator volt gauge sure jumps when high is hit anyway.

If it was 'worn out' drawing 13 amps, then a 15 or 20 amp fuse would be
just fine you would think.

I think the $tealership was just looking for another sucker.

Hey if you have an amp meter stop on by my place and we can compare the
draws on my 2 new motors with your old one and see for sure eh? I am at
Yonge and Finch.

My meter will only go to 10 amps for draw so it's isn't good enough to
test a blower.

There also is a ground wire on the right side of the TJ instrument panel
that is prone to coming loose. If loose, it can cause a serious heat
problem in the wires, maybe enough to start melting solder and
switches. There is a recall on the 99's for that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

The heater fuses on mine are 25 amp.

This 'strongly' implies the heater can draw up to 20 amps when running.
My alternator volt gauge sure jumps when high is hit anyway.

If it was 'worn out' drawing 13 amps, then a 15 or 20 amp fuse would be
just fine you would think.

I think the $tealership was just looking for another sucker.

Hey if you have an amp meter stop on by my place and we can compare the
draws on my 2 new motors with your old one and see for sure eh? I am at
Yonge and Finch.

My meter will only go to 10 amps for draw so it's isn't good enough to
test a blower.

There also is a ground wire on the right side of the TJ instrument panel
that is prone to coming loose. If loose, it can cause a serious heat
problem in the wires, maybe enough to start melting solder and
switches. There is a recall on the 99's for that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

The heater fuses on mine are 25 amp.

This 'strongly' implies the heater can draw up to 20 amps when running.
My alternator volt gauge sure jumps when high is hit anyway.

If it was 'worn out' drawing 13 amps, then a 15 or 20 amp fuse would be
just fine you would think.

I think the $tealership was just looking for another sucker.

Hey if you have an amp meter stop on by my place and we can compare the
draws on my 2 new motors with your old one and see for sure eh? I am at
Yonge and Finch.

My meter will only go to 10 amps for draw so it's isn't good enough to
test a blower.

There also is a ground wire on the right side of the TJ instrument panel
that is prone to coming loose. If loose, it can cause a serious heat
problem in the wires, maybe enough to start melting solder and
switches. There is a recall on the 99's for that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:


>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>dash put back together,

Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
twice already.


Joe Carroll
2K-TJ

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:


>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>dash put back together,

Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
twice already.


Joe Carroll
2K-TJ

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:


>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>dash put back together,

Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
twice already.


Joe Carroll
2K-TJ

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer

Re: Update on my heater problem
 

Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
have to go to the dealer Monday.


"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll@NOSPAMqwest.net> wrote in message
news:l8tkn0tc4kp3mpcu1vvp3llnfdanou80sl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:
>
>
>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>dash put back together,
>
> Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
> twice already.
>
>
> Joe Carroll
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer