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Shazam 10-22-2004 08:59 PM

Update on my heater problem
 
I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.

2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.

This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
I'd be able to do the labor myself.

I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
dash put back together, but with only the high setting
working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
back into the resistor pack.

Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
problem over the phone

Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
you think. Thanks

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 10-23-2004 12:48 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 10-23-2004 12:48 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 10-23-2004 12:48 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


HarryS 10-23-2004 07:14 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Ditto Bill, to answer your question what the maximum amperage draw of the
blower motor is; the motor will be stamped on the housing with the rmp,
voltage and max amperage, this is required by UL and NEC for all electrical
devices.

HarryS


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4179E285.66F24CF1@cox.net...
> We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Shazam wrote:
>>
>> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
>> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
>> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
>> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>>
>> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
>> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
>> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
>> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
>> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>>
>> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
>> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
>> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>>
>> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
>> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
>> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
>> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
>> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
>> back into the resistor pack.
>>
>> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
>> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
>> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
>> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
>> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
>> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
>> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
>> problem over the phone
>>
>> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
>> you think. Thanks




HarryS 10-23-2004 07:14 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Ditto Bill, to answer your question what the maximum amperage draw of the
blower motor is; the motor will be stamped on the housing with the rmp,
voltage and max amperage, this is required by UL and NEC for all electrical
devices.

HarryS


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4179E285.66F24CF1@cox.net...
> We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Shazam wrote:
>>
>> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
>> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
>> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
>> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>>
>> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
>> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
>> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
>> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
>> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>>
>> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
>> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
>> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>>
>> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
>> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
>> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
>> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
>> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
>> back into the resistor pack.
>>
>> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
>> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
>> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
>> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
>> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
>> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
>> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
>> problem over the phone
>>
>> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
>> you think. Thanks




HarryS 10-23-2004 07:14 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Ditto Bill, to answer your question what the maximum amperage draw of the
blower motor is; the motor will be stamped on the housing with the rmp,
voltage and max amperage, this is required by UL and NEC for all electrical
devices.

HarryS


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4179E285.66F24CF1@cox.net...
> We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Shazam wrote:
>>
>> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
>> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
>> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
>> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>>
>> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
>> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
>> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
>> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
>> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>>
>> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
>> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
>> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>>
>> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
>> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
>> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
>> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
>> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
>> back into the resistor pack.
>>
>> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
>> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
>> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
>> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
>> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
>> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
>> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
>> problem over the phone
>>
>> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
>> you think. Thanks




RoyJ 10-23-2004 10:16 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
NEC and UL apply to voltages on the grid or off the grid and over 50(??)
volts. Nothing on the vehicle has any sort of NEC or UL rating.

HarryS wrote:
> Ditto Bill, to answer your question what the maximum amperage draw of the
> blower motor is; the motor will be stamped on the housing with the rmp,
> voltage and max amperage, this is required by UL and NEC for all electrical
> devices.
>
> HarryS
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4179E285.66F24CF1@cox.net...
>
>> We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Shazam wrote:
>>
>>>I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
>>>though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
>>>them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
>>>the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>>>
>>>2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
>>>13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
>>>blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
>>>unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
>>>was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>>>
>>>This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
>>>change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
>>>I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>>>
>>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>>dash put back together, but with only the high setting
>>>working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
>>>afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
>>>under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
>>>I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
>>>back into the resistor pack.
>>>
>>>Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
>>>because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
>>>the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
>>>it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
>>>times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
>>>the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
>>>JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
>>>problem over the phone
>>>
>>>Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
>>>you think. Thanks

>
>
>


RoyJ 10-23-2004 10:16 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
NEC and UL apply to voltages on the grid or off the grid and over 50(??)
volts. Nothing on the vehicle has any sort of NEC or UL rating.

HarryS wrote:
> Ditto Bill, to answer your question what the maximum amperage draw of the
> blower motor is; the motor will be stamped on the housing with the rmp,
> voltage and max amperage, this is required by UL and NEC for all electrical
> devices.
>
> HarryS
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4179E285.66F24CF1@cox.net...
>
>> We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Shazam wrote:
>>
>>>I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
>>>though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
>>>them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
>>>the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>>>
>>>2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
>>>13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
>>>blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
>>>unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
>>>was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>>>
>>>This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
>>>change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
>>>I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>>>
>>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>>dash put back together, but with only the high setting
>>>working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
>>>afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
>>>under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
>>>I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
>>>back into the resistor pack.
>>>
>>>Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
>>>because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
>>>the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
>>>it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
>>>times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
>>>the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
>>>JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
>>>problem over the phone
>>>
>>>Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
>>>you think. Thanks

>
>
>


RoyJ 10-23-2004 10:16 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
NEC and UL apply to voltages on the grid or off the grid and over 50(??)
volts. Nothing on the vehicle has any sort of NEC or UL rating.

HarryS wrote:
> Ditto Bill, to answer your question what the maximum amperage draw of the
> blower motor is; the motor will be stamped on the housing with the rmp,
> voltage and max amperage, this is required by UL and NEC for all electrical
> devices.
>
> HarryS
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4179E285.66F24CF1@cox.net...
>
>> We don't call them Stealerships for nothing.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Shazam wrote:
>>
>>>I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
>>>though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
>>>them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
>>>the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>>>
>>>2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
>>>13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
>>>blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
>>>unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
>>>was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>>>
>>>This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
>>>change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
>>>I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>>>
>>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>>dash put back together, but with only the high setting
>>>working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
>>>afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
>>>under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
>>>I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
>>>back into the resistor pack.
>>>
>>>Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
>>>because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
>>>the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
>>>it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
>>>times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
>>>the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
>>>JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
>>>problem over the phone
>>>
>>>Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
>>>you think. Thanks

>
>
>


RoyJ 10-23-2004 10:20 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
IIRC its in the 4 to 5 amp range.

If the old one is really drawing 13 amps, it is toast internally. That
works out to 156 watts or 1/5 hp. Way too much. For comparison, 13 amps
is more than BOTH headlights on high beam.

Shazam wrote:

> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


RoyJ 10-23-2004 10:20 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
IIRC its in the 4 to 5 amp range.

If the old one is really drawing 13 amps, it is toast internally. That
works out to 156 watts or 1/5 hp. Way too much. For comparison, 13 amps
is more than BOTH headlights on high beam.

Shazam wrote:

> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


RoyJ 10-23-2004 10:20 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
IIRC its in the 4 to 5 amp range.

If the old one is really drawing 13 amps, it is toast internally. That
works out to 156 watts or 1/5 hp. Way too much. For comparison, 13 amps
is more than BOTH headlights on high beam.

Shazam wrote:

> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


Mike Romain 10-23-2004 10:33 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
The heater fuses on mine are 25 amp.

This 'strongly' implies the heater can draw up to 20 amps when running.
My alternator volt gauge sure jumps when high is hit anyway.

If it was 'worn out' drawing 13 amps, then a 15 or 20 amp fuse would be
just fine you would think.

I think the $tealership was just looking for another sucker.

Hey if you have an amp meter stop on by my place and we can compare the
draws on my 2 new motors with your old one and see for sure eh? I am at
Yonge and Finch.

My meter will only go to 10 amps for draw so it's isn't good enough to
test a blower.

There also is a ground wire on the right side of the TJ instrument panel
that is prone to coming loose. If loose, it can cause a serious heat
problem in the wires, maybe enough to start melting solder and
switches. There is a recall on the 99's for that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


Mike Romain 10-23-2004 10:33 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
The heater fuses on mine are 25 amp.

This 'strongly' implies the heater can draw up to 20 amps when running.
My alternator volt gauge sure jumps when high is hit anyway.

If it was 'worn out' drawing 13 amps, then a 15 or 20 amp fuse would be
just fine you would think.

I think the $tealership was just looking for another sucker.

Hey if you have an amp meter stop on by my place and we can compare the
draws on my 2 new motors with your old one and see for sure eh? I am at
Yonge and Finch.

My meter will only go to 10 amps for draw so it's isn't good enough to
test a blower.

There also is a ground wire on the right side of the TJ instrument panel
that is prone to coming loose. If loose, it can cause a serious heat
problem in the wires, maybe enough to start melting solder and
switches. There is a recall on the 99's for that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


Mike Romain 10-23-2004 10:33 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
The heater fuses on mine are 25 amp.

This 'strongly' implies the heater can draw up to 20 amps when running.
My alternator volt gauge sure jumps when high is hit anyway.

If it was 'worn out' drawing 13 amps, then a 15 or 20 amp fuse would be
just fine you would think.

I think the $tealership was just looking for another sucker.

Hey if you have an amp meter stop on by my place and we can compare the
draws on my 2 new motors with your old one and see for sure eh? I am at
Yonge and Finch.

My meter will only go to 10 amps for draw so it's isn't good enough to
test a blower.

There also is a ground wire on the right side of the TJ instrument panel
that is prone to coming loose. If loose, it can cause a serious heat
problem in the wires, maybe enough to start melting solder and
switches. There is a recall on the 99's for that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Shazam wrote:
>
> I finally made it into the garage to properly check things out, even
> though I was certain that it was the dash control unit, and wanted
> them to confirm this before changing it, since I had already changed
> the resistor pack on my 2000TJ, and checked the blower motor.
>
> 2 hours, and $171 later, they said that the blower motor was drawing
> 13amps, which caused the resistor connector to melt, and damage the
> blower switch...now they recommend that I change the dash control
> unit, and blower motor, and since I'm at it...the resistor pack which
> was changed in March of this year, at a grand total of $935.
>
> This put me in a difficult position, and decided that I would just
> change the dash control unit, and sell the Jeep...cost of $196, and
> I'd be able to do the labor myself.
>
> I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
> that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
> blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
> the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
> dash put back together, but with only the high setting
> working...nothing on the low & medium settings. later on that
> afternoon...during my coffee break, I decided to go out, and check
> under the dash where the resistor pack is located....5 minutes later,
> I was plugging in the connector (that the garage forgot to plus in),
> back into the resistor pack.
>
> Now, I'm wondering...how many amps should the blower motor draw,
> because I would like to get in touch with the garage, and ask them why
> the estimate recommends I change pretty much everything, when in fact,
> it was only the switch. At $7.19, I'd rather change the switch 3
> times a year, than to pay $935, and I'd like to ask for a refund of
> the $171 for 2 hours of diagnotics, when I was on the phone with
> JustJeep.com, for about 10 minutes, and they were able to diagnose the
> problem over the phone
>
> Sounds like the dealership is trying to upsell?!? let me know what
> you think. Thanks


Joe Carroll 10-23-2004 11:15 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:


>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>dash put back together,


Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
twice already.


Joe Carroll
2K-TJ

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer

Joe Carroll 10-23-2004 11:15 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:


>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>dash put back together,


Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
twice already.


Joe Carroll
2K-TJ

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer

Joe Carroll 10-23-2004 11:15 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:


>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>dash put back together,


Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
twice already.


Joe Carroll
2K-TJ

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer

E. Jason Brooks 10-23-2004 01:22 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
have to go to the dealer Monday.


"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll@NOSPAMqwest.net> wrote in message
news:l8tkn0tc4kp3mpcu1vvp3llnfdanou80sl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:
>
>
>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>dash put back together,

>
> Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
> twice already.
>
>
> Joe Carroll
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer




E. Jason Brooks 10-23-2004 01:22 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
have to go to the dealer Monday.


"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll@NOSPAMqwest.net> wrote in message
news:l8tkn0tc4kp3mpcu1vvp3llnfdanou80sl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:
>
>
>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>dash put back together,

>
> Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
> twice already.
>
>
> Joe Carroll
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer




E. Jason Brooks 10-23-2004 01:22 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
have to go to the dealer Monday.


"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll@NOSPAMqwest.net> wrote in message
news:l8tkn0tc4kp3mpcu1vvp3llnfdanou80sl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:59:52 -0400, Shazam <> wrote:
>
>
>>I contacted Justjeeps.com to look for a better price, and was informed
>>that I could just change the "speed control" switch for the
>>blower....cost: $7.19. I decided to try this out...sure enough, when
>>the switch came in, in 10 minutes, I had the switch replaced, and the
>>dash put back together,

>
> Seems to be a problem with the 2000 TJ. I replaced my speed switch
> twice already.
>
>
> Joe Carroll
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer




Paul Calman 10-23-2004 01:40 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
It sounds like the dealer has a REAL mechanic working there. This is the
same good advice i have given many customers.
Electrical components in motor circuits usually die because increased load
from the worn motor overheats them.
Most tech manuals don't give amperage rarings for heater blowers, but if it
blows a fuse I replace it. I have seen benz blowers that are new run 15 A
with a surge of appx. 20 A when starting, and the ones i replaced would
surge to 30A + on starting.
What are the specs for a Jeep blower? Test a new one.
Benzes blowers run all the time, so they die in about 10-15 years. New ones
use a separate blower for constant low vent operation.They are generally
easy to replace, but the switch and resistor can get costly.
Check these good prices out.
http://tinyurl.com/53h3m
http://tinyurl.com/6al2b
http://tinyurl.com/3nuk6
Your's isnt bad.

Keep putting switches in, it will get slower, defog poorly, and fail when
you need it most. Put heavier fuses in, and you could start a fire.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Paul Calman 10-23-2004 01:40 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
It sounds like the dealer has a REAL mechanic working there. This is the
same good advice i have given many customers.
Electrical components in motor circuits usually die because increased load
from the worn motor overheats them.
Most tech manuals don't give amperage rarings for heater blowers, but if it
blows a fuse I replace it. I have seen benz blowers that are new run 15 A
with a surge of appx. 20 A when starting, and the ones i replaced would
surge to 30A + on starting.
What are the specs for a Jeep blower? Test a new one.
Benzes blowers run all the time, so they die in about 10-15 years. New ones
use a separate blower for constant low vent operation.They are generally
easy to replace, but the switch and resistor can get costly.
Check these good prices out.
http://tinyurl.com/53h3m
http://tinyurl.com/6al2b
http://tinyurl.com/3nuk6
Your's isnt bad.

Keep putting switches in, it will get slower, defog poorly, and fail when
you need it most. Put heavier fuses in, and you could start a fire.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Paul Calman 10-23-2004 01:40 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
It sounds like the dealer has a REAL mechanic working there. This is the
same good advice i have given many customers.
Electrical components in motor circuits usually die because increased load
from the worn motor overheats them.
Most tech manuals don't give amperage rarings for heater blowers, but if it
blows a fuse I replace it. I have seen benz blowers that are new run 15 A
with a surge of appx. 20 A when starting, and the ones i replaced would
surge to 30A + on starting.
What are the specs for a Jeep blower? Test a new one.
Benzes blowers run all the time, so they die in about 10-15 years. New ones
use a separate blower for constant low vent operation.They are generally
easy to replace, but the switch and resistor can get costly.
Check these good prices out.
http://tinyurl.com/53h3m
http://tinyurl.com/6al2b
http://tinyurl.com/3nuk6
Your's isnt bad.

Keep putting switches in, it will get slower, defog poorly, and fail when
you need it most. Put heavier fuses in, and you could start a fire.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Mike Romain 10-23-2004 03:06 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
oversize the bolt holding it on.

That loose connection for sure can create a heat issue. Up here in the
rust belt we see melted wires and switches all the time because of bad
grounds or bad connections. Just had a punky connection on my always
wet dimmer switch melt out my headlight switch. Both were 4 years old.

I think the $7.00 and one bolt solution is the right one rather than a
'change it all', and hope it fixes it. (Means they have 'no clue in the
world' what the trouble is to me) If they 'forget' or don't know about
the wire, the gent is out 1000 freaking dollars and the switch 'still'
will melt out!!!!

Now when my 88 melted the blower switch, I bought a new motor first
thing.... LOL! I still only changed the $7.00 switch, not the 300 or
whatever dollar control.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> It sounds like the dealer has a REAL mechanic working there. This is the
> same good advice i have given many customers.
> Electrical components in motor circuits usually die because increased load
> from the worn motor overheats them.
> Most tech manuals don't give amperage rarings for heater blowers, but if it
> blows a fuse I replace it. I have seen benz blowers that are new run 15 A
> with a surge of appx. 20 A when starting, and the ones i replaced would
> surge to 30A + on starting.
> What are the specs for a Jeep blower? Test a new one.
> Benzes blowers run all the time, so they die in about 10-15 years. New ones
> use a separate blower for constant low vent operation.They are generally
> easy to replace, but the switch and resistor can get costly.
> Check these good prices out.
> http://tinyurl.com/53h3m
> http://tinyurl.com/6al2b
> http://tinyurl.com/3nuk6
> Your's isnt bad.
>
> Keep putting switches in, it will get slower, defog poorly, and fail when
> you need it most. Put heavier fuses in, and you could start a fire.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


Mike Romain 10-23-2004 03:06 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
oversize the bolt holding it on.

That loose connection for sure can create a heat issue. Up here in the
rust belt we see melted wires and switches all the time because of bad
grounds or bad connections. Just had a punky connection on my always
wet dimmer switch melt out my headlight switch. Both were 4 years old.

I think the $7.00 and one bolt solution is the right one rather than a
'change it all', and hope it fixes it. (Means they have 'no clue in the
world' what the trouble is to me) If they 'forget' or don't know about
the wire, the gent is out 1000 freaking dollars and the switch 'still'
will melt out!!!!

Now when my 88 melted the blower switch, I bought a new motor first
thing.... LOL! I still only changed the $7.00 switch, not the 300 or
whatever dollar control.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> It sounds like the dealer has a REAL mechanic working there. This is the
> same good advice i have given many customers.
> Electrical components in motor circuits usually die because increased load
> from the worn motor overheats them.
> Most tech manuals don't give amperage rarings for heater blowers, but if it
> blows a fuse I replace it. I have seen benz blowers that are new run 15 A
> with a surge of appx. 20 A when starting, and the ones i replaced would
> surge to 30A + on starting.
> What are the specs for a Jeep blower? Test a new one.
> Benzes blowers run all the time, so they die in about 10-15 years. New ones
> use a separate blower for constant low vent operation.They are generally
> easy to replace, but the switch and resistor can get costly.
> Check these good prices out.
> http://tinyurl.com/53h3m
> http://tinyurl.com/6al2b
> http://tinyurl.com/3nuk6
> Your's isnt bad.
>
> Keep putting switches in, it will get slower, defog poorly, and fail when
> you need it most. Put heavier fuses in, and you could start a fire.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


Mike Romain 10-23-2004 03:06 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
oversize the bolt holding it on.

That loose connection for sure can create a heat issue. Up here in the
rust belt we see melted wires and switches all the time because of bad
grounds or bad connections. Just had a punky connection on my always
wet dimmer switch melt out my headlight switch. Both were 4 years old.

I think the $7.00 and one bolt solution is the right one rather than a
'change it all', and hope it fixes it. (Means they have 'no clue in the
world' what the trouble is to me) If they 'forget' or don't know about
the wire, the gent is out 1000 freaking dollars and the switch 'still'
will melt out!!!!

Now when my 88 melted the blower switch, I bought a new motor first
thing.... LOL! I still only changed the $7.00 switch, not the 300 or
whatever dollar control.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> It sounds like the dealer has a REAL mechanic working there. This is the
> same good advice i have given many customers.
> Electrical components in motor circuits usually die because increased load
> from the worn motor overheats them.
> Most tech manuals don't give amperage rarings for heater blowers, but if it
> blows a fuse I replace it. I have seen benz blowers that are new run 15 A
> with a surge of appx. 20 A when starting, and the ones i replaced would
> surge to 30A + on starting.
> What are the specs for a Jeep blower? Test a new one.
> Benzes blowers run all the time, so they die in about 10-15 years. New ones
> use a separate blower for constant low vent operation.They are generally
> easy to replace, but the switch and resistor can get costly.
> Check these good prices out.
> http://tinyurl.com/53h3m
> http://tinyurl.com/6al2b
> http://tinyurl.com/3nuk6
> Your's isnt bad.
>
> Keep putting switches in, it will get slower, defog poorly, and fail when
> you need it most. Put heavier fuses in, and you could start a fire.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


Shazam 10-23-2004 03:27 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Hi jason....according to the box, the number is: 1-05011214AA

I actually spoke with the vice-president of the dealership this
morning to discuss my unhappiness with the quality of the service I
received....Even if I don't get my money back for a false
estimate...at least they know about it....and 1 unhappy customer is 1
too many....


On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:22:57 GMT, "E. Jason Brooks"
<scriptlizard@nospizamscriptlizard.com> wrote:

>Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
>have to go to the dealer Monday.



Shazam 10-23-2004 03:27 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Hi jason....according to the box, the number is: 1-05011214AA

I actually spoke with the vice-president of the dealership this
morning to discuss my unhappiness with the quality of the service I
received....Even if I don't get my money back for a false
estimate...at least they know about it....and 1 unhappy customer is 1
too many....


On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:22:57 GMT, "E. Jason Brooks"
<scriptlizard@nospizamscriptlizard.com> wrote:

>Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
>have to go to the dealer Monday.



Shazam 10-23-2004 03:27 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Hi jason....according to the box, the number is: 1-05011214AA

I actually spoke with the vice-president of the dealership this
morning to discuss my unhappiness with the quality of the service I
received....Even if I don't get my money back for a false
estimate...at least they know about it....and 1 unhappy customer is 1
too many....


On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:22:57 GMT, "E. Jason Brooks"
<scriptlizard@nospizamscriptlizard.com> wrote:

>Any idea what the part number is? I can't find that part anywhere. Might
>have to go to the dealer Monday.



Paul Calman 10-23-2004 10:02 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
> While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
> troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
> apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
> back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
> oversize the bolt holding it on.


Ok Mike, you caught me generalizing, I don't work on the new ones. I'll buy
the insufficient ground as casing heat.
This sounds like DC inherited one of VW/Audi's electrical engineers.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Paul Calman 10-23-2004 10:02 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
> While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
> troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
> apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
> back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
> oversize the bolt holding it on.


Ok Mike, you caught me generalizing, I don't work on the new ones. I'll buy
the insufficient ground as casing heat.
This sounds like DC inherited one of VW/Audi's electrical engineers.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Paul Calman 10-23-2004 10:02 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
> While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
> troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
> apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
> back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
> oversize the bolt holding it on.


Ok Mike, you caught me generalizing, I don't work on the new ones. I'll buy
the insufficient ground as casing heat.
This sounds like DC inherited one of VW/Audi's electrical engineers.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Mike Romain 10-24-2004 10:05 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> > While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
> > troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
> > apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
> > back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
> > oversize the bolt holding it on.

>
> Ok Mike, you caught me generalizing, I don't work on the new ones. I'll buy
> the insufficient ground as casing heat.
> This sounds like DC inherited one of VW/Audi's electrical engineers.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


Where did all those Lucas guys go? ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain 10-24-2004 10:05 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> > While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
> > troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
> > apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
> > back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
> > oversize the bolt holding it on.

>
> Ok Mike, you caught me generalizing, I don't work on the new ones. I'll buy
> the insufficient ground as casing heat.
> This sounds like DC inherited one of VW/Audi's electrical engineers.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


Where did all those Lucas guys go? ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain 10-24-2004 10:05 AM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> > While I agree on that Paul, the new TJ's are having melted parts
> > troubles way too often. The 99 has a recall for this, the 2000
> > apparently doesn't. The main ground for the heater switch is on the
> > back of the dash panel and it comes loose. The fix is to drill and
> > oversize the bolt holding it on.

>
> Ok Mike, you caught me generalizing, I don't work on the new ones. I'll buy
> the insufficient ground as casing heat.
> This sounds like DC inherited one of VW/Audi's electrical engineers.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


Where did all those Lucas guys go? ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Paul Calman 10-24-2004 01:39 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
They (Lucas) build VW's injection systems.
I still have 2 bikes with lucas systems, and a Honda with Lucas plug wires.
it keeps me on my toes.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Paul Calman 10-24-2004 01:39 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
They (Lucas) build VW's injection systems.
I still have 2 bikes with lucas systems, and a Honda with Lucas plug wires.
it keeps me on my toes.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California



Paul Calman 10-24-2004 01:39 PM

Re: Update on my heater problem
 
They (Lucas) build VW's injection systems.
I still have 2 bikes with lucas systems, and a Honda with Lucas plug wires.
it keeps me on my toes.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California




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