Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Oil evaporates less than gasoline, NO ----, Sherlock.
I'd like to know from what you believe synthetic oil is refined.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Coasty wrote:
>
> Yes you throw your money away if you do not use synthetic oil it is about
> the sheer strength
>
> Key Advantages of Synthetic
>
> 1) Volatility: Synthetics do not evaporate as readily as Petrol. based.
> Usually, synthetic lubricants are
> based on 1 molecule with a flat distillation curve.
>
> 2) Better viscosity versus temperature behavior Thin less as they get hot
> Thicken less as they cool
>
> 3) better oxidation stability
>
> 4) Synthetic Oil has 10% better heat transfer than Petroleum based
> lubricants.
>
> Viscosity Index Improvers
>
> Rubber and Plastic Polymers
>
> Start with a base of straight weight Oil. Then add a polymeric thickener.
> When hot, the long polymer chain
> is really moving around, causing the oil to flow less. When cold, the
> polymers stick to each other,
> essentially coming out of suspension. The polymers are stable up to about
> 210 F, where they start to
> break up. The drawbacks to VI polymers is that they can cause engine dirt
> because of their low shear
> strength.
>
> Viscosity A B C D
>
> High | ' ' ' '
> | ' ' ' '
> |* ' ' ' '
> | \ ' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' ' '
> | *\ ' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' ' '
> | *\' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' '
> | ' *\ ' ' '
> |-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> | ' *-*\ ' ' '
> | ' *\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\
> | ' ' ' '
> Low |_________________________________________________ ____________
> Low High
> Sheer Rate
>
> A Shear at Piston Rings
> B Shear at Main Bearings
> C Shear at Cylinder Wall
> D Shear at Connecting Rod Bearings
>
> -+-+ Viscosity of a Straight Weight Oil (Petro. Or Synthetic)
>
> *\*- Viscosity of A MultiGrade Oil (Base with VI polymers)
>
> What this chart shows is that a straight oil has the same viscosity
> regardless of shear rate. However, as the
> shear rate increases, the shear breaks down the VI polymers, and multigrade
> oils have less actual viscosity
> at the localized high shear rate area.
>
> The weak link is the rod bearings and Cam, in terms of rate of shear. There
> is less friction at the piston
> rings. Anti Wear is much more important at the cam.
>
> Coasty

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Oil evaporates less than gasoline, NO ----, Sherlock.
I'd like to know from what you believe synthetic oil is refined.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Coasty wrote:
>
> Yes you throw your money away if you do not use synthetic oil it is about
> the sheer strength
>
> Key Advantages of Synthetic
>
> 1) Volatility: Synthetics do not evaporate as readily as Petrol. based.
> Usually, synthetic lubricants are
> based on 1 molecule with a flat distillation curve.
>
> 2) Better viscosity versus temperature behavior Thin less as they get hot
> Thicken less as they cool
>
> 3) better oxidation stability
>
> 4) Synthetic Oil has 10% better heat transfer than Petroleum based
> lubricants.
>
> Viscosity Index Improvers
>
> Rubber and Plastic Polymers
>
> Start with a base of straight weight Oil. Then add a polymeric thickener.
> When hot, the long polymer chain
> is really moving around, causing the oil to flow less. When cold, the
> polymers stick to each other,
> essentially coming out of suspension. The polymers are stable up to about
> 210 F, where they start to
> break up. The drawbacks to VI polymers is that they can cause engine dirt
> because of their low shear
> strength.
>
> Viscosity A B C D
>
> High | ' ' ' '
> | ' ' ' '
> |* ' ' ' '
> | \ ' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' ' '
> | *\ ' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' ' '
> | *\' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' '
> | ' *\ ' ' '
> |-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> | ' *-*\ ' ' '
> | ' *\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\
> | ' ' ' '
> Low |_________________________________________________ ____________
> Low High
> Sheer Rate
>
> A Shear at Piston Rings
> B Shear at Main Bearings
> C Shear at Cylinder Wall
> D Shear at Connecting Rod Bearings
>
> -+-+ Viscosity of a Straight Weight Oil (Petro. Or Synthetic)
>
> *\*- Viscosity of A MultiGrade Oil (Base with VI polymers)
>
> What this chart shows is that a straight oil has the same viscosity
> regardless of shear rate. However, as the
> shear rate increases, the shear breaks down the VI polymers, and multigrade
> oils have less actual viscosity
> at the localized high shear rate area.
>
> The weak link is the rod bearings and Cam, in terms of rate of shear. There
> is less friction at the piston
> rings. Anti Wear is much more important at the cam.
>
> Coasty

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Oil evaporates less than gasoline, NO ----, Sherlock.
I'd like to know from what you believe synthetic oil is refined.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Coasty wrote:
>
> Yes you throw your money away if you do not use synthetic oil it is about
> the sheer strength
>
> Key Advantages of Synthetic
>
> 1) Volatility: Synthetics do not evaporate as readily as Petrol. based.
> Usually, synthetic lubricants are
> based on 1 molecule with a flat distillation curve.
>
> 2) Better viscosity versus temperature behavior Thin less as they get hot
> Thicken less as they cool
>
> 3) better oxidation stability
>
> 4) Synthetic Oil has 10% better heat transfer than Petroleum based
> lubricants.
>
> Viscosity Index Improvers
>
> Rubber and Plastic Polymers
>
> Start with a base of straight weight Oil. Then add a polymeric thickener.
> When hot, the long polymer chain
> is really moving around, causing the oil to flow less. When cold, the
> polymers stick to each other,
> essentially coming out of suspension. The polymers are stable up to about
> 210 F, where they start to
> break up. The drawbacks to VI polymers is that they can cause engine dirt
> because of their low shear
> strength.
>
> Viscosity A B C D
>
> High | ' ' ' '
> | ' ' ' '
> |* ' ' ' '
> | \ ' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' ' '
> | *\ ' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' ' '
> | *\' ' ' '
> | *- ' ' '
> | ' *\ ' ' '
> |-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> | ' *-*\ ' ' '
> | ' *\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\
> | ' ' ' '
> Low |_________________________________________________ ____________
> Low High
> Sheer Rate
>
> A Shear at Piston Rings
> B Shear at Main Bearings
> C Shear at Cylinder Wall
> D Shear at Connecting Rod Bearings
>
> -+-+ Viscosity of a Straight Weight Oil (Petro. Or Synthetic)
>
> *\*- Viscosity of A MultiGrade Oil (Base with VI polymers)
>
> What this chart shows is that a straight oil has the same viscosity
> regardless of shear rate. However, as the
> shear rate increases, the shear breaks down the VI polymers, and multigrade
> oils have less actual viscosity
> at the localized high shear rate area.
>
> The weak link is the rod bearings and Cam, in terms of rate of shear. There
> is less friction at the piston
> rings. Anti Wear is much more important at the cam.
>
> Coasty

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

From what products do you believe Mobil 1 is refined?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Junco wrote:
>
> There is no such thing as "too late to switch to synthetic". Unless you
> want to give old wives tales (or old techonophobes tales in this case)
> undue credit.
>
> FWIW cars I've "swtiched":
>
> 88 YJ with 142k miles... now 168k three years later
> 92 cherokee 139k
> 95 GT Mustang 64k got to 100k before traded
> 97 Toyota Tacoma 216k now 264k
> 01 Cobra Mustang 5k now 29k
>
> Of these I still have all but the GT (traded in for the cobra)
> all got Mobil 1, and none have any problems that are remotely oil related.
>
> Least of all leaks and degraded rubber seals that have been wrongly
> attributed to modern synthetic oils.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

From what products do you believe Mobil 1 is refined?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Junco wrote:
>
> There is no such thing as "too late to switch to synthetic". Unless you
> want to give old wives tales (or old techonophobes tales in this case)
> undue credit.
>
> FWIW cars I've "swtiched":
>
> 88 YJ with 142k miles... now 168k three years later
> 92 cherokee 139k
> 95 GT Mustang 64k got to 100k before traded
> 97 Toyota Tacoma 216k now 264k
> 01 Cobra Mustang 5k now 29k
>
> Of these I still have all but the GT (traded in for the cobra)
> all got Mobil 1, and none have any problems that are remotely oil related.
>
> Least of all leaks and degraded rubber seals that have been wrongly
> attributed to modern synthetic oils.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

From what products do you believe Mobil 1 is refined?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Junco wrote:
>
> There is no such thing as "too late to switch to synthetic". Unless you
> want to give old wives tales (or old techonophobes tales in this case)
> undue credit.
>
> FWIW cars I've "swtiched":
>
> 88 YJ with 142k miles... now 168k three years later
> 92 cherokee 139k
> 95 GT Mustang 64k got to 100k before traded
> 97 Toyota Tacoma 216k now 264k
> 01 Cobra Mustang 5k now 29k
>
> Of these I still have all but the GT (traded in for the cobra)
> all got Mobil 1, and none have any problems that are remotely oil related.
>
> Least of all leaks and degraded rubber seals that have been wrongly
> attributed to modern synthetic oils.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Does it really matter if you chemically join small molecules to the perfect
size or chemically cleave larger molecules to the perfect size?

The end result is a superior lubricant.

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:449DD188.86F81E1F@cox.net...
> From what products do you believe Mobil 1 is refined?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Simon Junco wrote:
>>
>> There is no such thing as "too late to switch to synthetic". Unless you
>> want to give old wives tales (or old techonophobes tales in this case)
>> undue credit.
>>
>> FWIW cars I've "swtiched":
>>
>> 88 YJ with 142k miles... now 168k three years later
>> 92 cherokee 139k
>> 95 GT Mustang 64k got to 100k before traded
>> 97 Toyota Tacoma 216k now 264k
>> 01 Cobra Mustang 5k now 29k
>>
>> Of these I still have all but the GT (traded in for the cobra)
>> all got Mobil 1, and none have any problems that are remotely oil
>> related.
>>
>> Least of all leaks and degraded rubber seals that have been wrongly
>> attributed to modern synthetic oils.
>>
>> --
>> Simon
>> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Does it really matter if you chemically join small molecules to the perfect
size or chemically cleave larger molecules to the perfect size?

The end result is a superior lubricant.

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:449DD188.86F81E1F@cox.net...
> From what products do you believe Mobil 1 is refined?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Simon Junco wrote:
>>
>> There is no such thing as "too late to switch to synthetic". Unless you
>> want to give old wives tales (or old techonophobes tales in this case)
>> undue credit.
>>
>> FWIW cars I've "swtiched":
>>
>> 88 YJ with 142k miles... now 168k three years later
>> 92 cherokee 139k
>> 95 GT Mustang 64k got to 100k before traded
>> 97 Toyota Tacoma 216k now 264k
>> 01 Cobra Mustang 5k now 29k
>>
>> Of these I still have all but the GT (traded in for the cobra)
>> all got Mobil 1, and none have any problems that are remotely oil
>> related.
>>
>> Least of all leaks and degraded rubber seals that have been wrongly
>> attributed to modern synthetic oils.
>>
>> --
>> Simon
>> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Does it really matter if you chemically join small molecules to the perfect
size or chemically cleave larger molecules to the perfect size?

The end result is a superior lubricant.

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:449DD188.86F81E1F@cox.net...
> From what products do you believe Mobil 1 is refined?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Simon Junco wrote:
>>
>> There is no such thing as "too late to switch to synthetic". Unless you
>> want to give old wives tales (or old techonophobes tales in this case)
>> undue credit.
>>
>> FWIW cars I've "swtiched":
>>
>> 88 YJ with 142k miles... now 168k three years later
>> 92 cherokee 139k
>> 95 GT Mustang 64k got to 100k before traded
>> 97 Toyota Tacoma 216k now 264k
>> 01 Cobra Mustang 5k now 29k
>>
>> Of these I still have all but the GT (traded in for the cobra)
>> all got Mobil 1, and none have any problems that are remotely oil
>> related.
>>
>> Least of all leaks and degraded rubber seals that have been wrongly
>> attributed to modern synthetic oils.
>>
>> --
>> Simon
>> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Hi Bill,
What matters is these people believe synthetic oil is something
other than the petroleum product from which it was refined.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Does it really matter if you chemically join small molecules to the perfect
> size or chemically cleave larger molecules to the perfect size?
>
> The end result is a superior lubricant.