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Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it
up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
No and no.
"JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
No and no.
"JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
No and no.
"JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Of course we all know the term synthetic may be used on one hundred
percent petroleum products, as it is just a couple more steps at the same refinery: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm If you want to pay more, that's find just remember it not a miracle oil, you still have to change it every three thousand miles if you want to drain the acids and other contaminates out, so you too may travel over three hundred thousand miles without take the heads off of my '89 Thunderbird and '78 Bronco using 20/50 Pennzoil. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ JEEPMAN wrote: > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Of course we all know the term synthetic may be used on one hundred
percent petroleum products, as it is just a couple more steps at the same refinery: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm If you want to pay more, that's find just remember it not a miracle oil, you still have to change it every three thousand miles if you want to drain the acids and other contaminates out, so you too may travel over three hundred thousand miles without take the heads off of my '89 Thunderbird and '78 Bronco using 20/50 Pennzoil. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ JEEPMAN wrote: > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Of course we all know the term synthetic may be used on one hundred
percent petroleum products, as it is just a couple more steps at the same refinery: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm If you want to pay more, that's find just remember it not a miracle oil, you still have to change it every three thousand miles if you want to drain the acids and other contaminates out, so you too may travel over three hundred thousand miles without take the heads off of my '89 Thunderbird and '78 Bronco using 20/50 Pennzoil. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ JEEPMAN wrote: > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
You will find that for the first few oil changes the oil is darker and
dirtier than what you have been led to believe with synthetic oils. This is because it is cleaning away at the sludge and varnish that has collected over the last 4 years/28,000 miles. Welcome to the dark side.... "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
You will find that for the first few oil changes the oil is darker and
dirtier than what you have been led to believe with synthetic oils. This is because it is cleaning away at the sludge and varnish that has collected over the last 4 years/28,000 miles. Welcome to the dark side.... "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
You will find that for the first few oil changes the oil is darker and
dirtier than what you have been led to believe with synthetic oils. This is because it is cleaning away at the sludge and varnish that has collected over the last 4 years/28,000 miles. Welcome to the dark side.... "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Why would you want to?
Jeep engines have the reputation of running up to 300K or so using regular old oil that gets changed when it is 'supposed' to get changed. 'Most' of the so called synthetic is 'fake' synthetic. The oil companies went to court to get the definition of 'synthetic' changed so they can slap the label on any old crap and charge 3X as much for it. It has turned into a total marketing scam. My $0.02 for ya. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) JEEPMAN wrote: > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Why would you want to?
Jeep engines have the reputation of running up to 300K or so using regular old oil that gets changed when it is 'supposed' to get changed. 'Most' of the so called synthetic is 'fake' synthetic. The oil companies went to court to get the definition of 'synthetic' changed so they can slap the label on any old crap and charge 3X as much for it. It has turned into a total marketing scam. My $0.02 for ya. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) JEEPMAN wrote: > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Why would you want to?
Jeep engines have the reputation of running up to 300K or so using regular old oil that gets changed when it is 'supposed' to get changed. 'Most' of the so called synthetic is 'fake' synthetic. The oil companies went to court to get the definition of 'synthetic' changed so they can slap the label on any old crap and charge 3X as much for it. It has turned into a total marketing scam. My $0.02 for ya. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) JEEPMAN wrote: > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you
are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. Earle "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you
are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. Earle "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you
are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. Earle "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used which lasted over 3K. I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or it sure acts that way. Most older engines I have owned were like this. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Earle Horton wrote: > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > Earle > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used which lasted over 3K. I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or it sure acts that way. Most older engines I have owned were like this. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Earle Horton wrote: > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > Earle > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used which lasted over 3K. I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or it sure acts that way. Most older engines I have owned were like this. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Earle Horton wrote: > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > Earle > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case, unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca... > Well... My engines don't think so Earle. > > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used > which lasted over 3K. > > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or > it sure acts that way. > > Most older engines I have owned were like this. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > > > Earle > > > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case, unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca... > Well... My engines don't think so Earle. > > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used > which lasted over 3K. > > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or > it sure acts that way. > > Most older engines I have owned were like this. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > > > Earle > > > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case, unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca... > Well... My engines don't think so Earle. > > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used > which lasted over 3K. > > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or > it sure acts that way. > > Most older engines I have owned were like this. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, you > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > > > Earle > > > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on or > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
I think the flush was just in case they don't mix. It isn't needed,
Dino oil mixes with either the real or the fake synthetic. My engines see short trips and cold so they choke is on more than normal or the injection is still in 'choke' or cold run mode. Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out of them.... I normally sell them as parts cars or in the 88's case it will go to the crusher. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of > conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold > temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You > could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This > guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether > the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case, > unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca... > > Well... My engines don't think so Earle. > > > > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they > > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and > > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like > > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used > > which lasted over 3K. > > > > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or > > it sure acts that way. > > > > Most older engines I have owned were like this. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, > you > > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on > or > > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
I think the flush was just in case they don't mix. It isn't needed,
Dino oil mixes with either the real or the fake synthetic. My engines see short trips and cold so they choke is on more than normal or the injection is still in 'choke' or cold run mode. Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out of them.... I normally sell them as parts cars or in the 88's case it will go to the crusher. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of > conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold > temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You > could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This > guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether > the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case, > unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca... > > Well... My engines don't think so Earle. > > > > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they > > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and > > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like > > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used > > which lasted over 3K. > > > > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or > > it sure acts that way. > > > > Most older engines I have owned were like this. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, > you > > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on > or > > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > > > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
I think the flush was just in case they don't mix. It isn't needed,
Dino oil mixes with either the real or the fake synthetic. My engines see short trips and cold so they choke is on more than normal or the injection is still in 'choke' or cold run mode. Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out of them.... I normally sell them as parts cars or in the 88's case it will go to the crusher. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of > conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold > temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You > could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This > guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether > the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case, > unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca... > > Well... My engines don't think so Earle. > > > > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they > > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and > > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like > > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used > > which lasted over 3K. > > > > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or > > it sure acts that way. > > > > Most older engines I have owned were like this. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions, > you > > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just > > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge. > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message > > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net... > > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it > > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic > > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on > or > > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA > > > > |
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca: > Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. > My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC > and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out > of them.... I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly spectacular vocabulary! ;-) |
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca: > Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. > My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC > and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out > of them.... I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly spectacular vocabulary! ;-) |
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca: > Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. > My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC > and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out > of them.... I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly spectacular vocabulary! ;-) |
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"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in
news:449ad17c$0$3482$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m: > That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Everyone operates under "severe operating conditions". GM did a survey years back and found over 90% of all cars were operated under severe operating conditions. Heat, dust, cold, etc. are all "severe operating conditions" and the most common one is short trips, the general rule is if you start your engine and turn it off in less than 30 minutes (and we all do that, my drive to work only takes 15 minutes) that constitutes "severe operating conditions". Just ignore the "normal operating" section of the maintenance schedule, it's very unlikely it applies to you. |
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"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in
news:449ad17c$0$3482$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m: > That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Everyone operates under "severe operating conditions". GM did a survey years back and found over 90% of all cars were operated under severe operating conditions. Heat, dust, cold, etc. are all "severe operating conditions" and the most common one is short trips, the general rule is if you start your engine and turn it off in less than 30 minutes (and we all do that, my drive to work only takes 15 minutes) that constitutes "severe operating conditions". Just ignore the "normal operating" section of the maintenance schedule, it's very unlikely it applies to you. |
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"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in
news:449ad17c$0$3482$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m: > That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Everyone operates under "severe operating conditions". GM did a survey years back and found over 90% of all cars were operated under severe operating conditions. Heat, dust, cold, etc. are all "severe operating conditions" and the most common one is short trips, the general rule is if you start your engine and turn it off in less than 30 minutes (and we all do that, my drive to work only takes 15 minutes) that constitutes "severe operating conditions". Just ignore the "normal operating" section of the maintenance schedule, it's very unlikely it applies to you. |
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XS11E wrote:
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in > news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca: > > > Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. > > My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC > > and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out > > of them.... > > I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine > Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly > spectacular vocabulary! ;-) LOL! Yup, I know a few good ones, I am a marintimer, but vehicles just seem to work when I tinker with them. My son is putting an 87 Van on the road that has been sitting a few years and it started today but ran like dirt, then wouldn't start again. I looked at it, poked and pushed a couple relay connections and the sucker started and purrs. My poor kid just looks at me and says so what the !@@#$% did you do? I missed it. I laughed and told him. I recommended he clean all those connections. He will. This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still has floorboards! I live in the rust belt... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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XS11E wrote:
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in > news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca: > > > Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. > > My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC > > and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out > > of them.... > > I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine > Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly > spectacular vocabulary! ;-) LOL! Yup, I know a few good ones, I am a marintimer, but vehicles just seem to work when I tinker with them. My son is putting an 87 Van on the road that has been sitting a few years and it started today but ran like dirt, then wouldn't start again. I looked at it, poked and pushed a couple relay connections and the sucker started and purrs. My poor kid just looks at me and says so what the !@@#$% did you do? I missed it. I laughed and told him. I recommended he clean all those connections. He will. This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still has floorboards! I live in the rust belt... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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XS11E wrote:
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in > news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca: > > > Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. > > My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC > > and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out > > of them.... > > I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine > Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly > spectacular vocabulary! ;-) LOL! Yup, I know a few good ones, I am a marintimer, but vehicles just seem to work when I tinker with them. My son is putting an 87 Van on the road that has been sitting a few years and it started today but ran like dirt, then wouldn't start again. I looked at it, poked and pushed a couple relay connections and the sucker started and purrs. My poor kid just looks at me and says so what the !@@#$% did you do? I missed it. I laughed and told him. I recommended he clean all those connections. He will. This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still has floorboards! I live in the rust belt... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449B143C.581C8B59@sympatico.ca: > This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is > nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still > has floorboards! Where I live a hundred buck Cherokee is the right rear door, w/o glass or hardware and dented pretty badly. <sigh> |
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449B143C.581C8B59@sympatico.ca: > This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is > nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still > has floorboards! Where I live a hundred buck Cherokee is the right rear door, w/o glass or hardware and dented pretty badly. <sigh> |
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449B143C.581C8B59@sympatico.ca: > This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is > nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still > has floorboards! Where I live a hundred buck Cherokee is the right rear door, w/o glass or hardware and dented pretty badly. <sigh> |
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I think we need pix to document that it has working doors and windows.
I seem to recall the bumper on the CJ is being held on with a belt. "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns97EAA0F5EAB29xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36... > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in > news:449B143C.581C8B59@sympatico.ca: > >> This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is >> nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still >> has floorboards! > > Where I live a hundred buck Cherokee is the right rear door, w/o glass > or hardware and dented pretty badly. <sigh> > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
I think we need pix to document that it has working doors and windows.
I seem to recall the bumper on the CJ is being held on with a belt. "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns97EAA0F5EAB29xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36... > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in > news:449B143C.581C8B59@sympatico.ca: > >> This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is >> nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still >> has floorboards! > > Where I live a hundred buck Cherokee is the right rear door, w/o glass > or hardware and dented pretty badly. <sigh> > |
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
I think we need pix to document that it has working doors and windows.
I seem to recall the bumper on the CJ is being held on with a belt. "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns97EAA0F5EAB29xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36... > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in > news:449B143C.581C8B59@sympatico.ca: > >> This one is taking a bit though... It's worth it, the body is >> nice and all the doors and windows work And as a bonus it still >> has floorboards! > > Where I live a hundred buck Cherokee is the right rear door, w/o glass > or hardware and dented pretty badly. <sigh> > |
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