Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold
temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You
could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This
guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether
the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case,
unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca...
> Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
>
> When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they
> are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and
> just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like
> in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used
> which lasted over 3K.
>
> I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or
> it sure acts that way.
>
> Most older engines I have owned were like this.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions,
you
> > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just
> > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it
> > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic
> > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on
or
> > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA
> > >

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold
temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You
could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This
guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether
the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case,
unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca...
> Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
>
> When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they
> are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and
> just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like
> in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used
> which lasted over 3K.
>
> I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or
> it sure acts that way.
>
> Most older engines I have owned were like this.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions,
you
> > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just
> > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it
> > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic
> > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on
or
> > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA
> > >

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

I think the flush was just in case they don't mix. It isn't needed,
Dino oil mixes with either the real or the fake synthetic.

My engines see short trips and cold so they choke is on more than normal
or the injection is still in 'choke' or cold run mode.

Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. My
latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC and the
odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out of them.... I
normally sell them as parts cars or in the 88's case it will go to the
crusher.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
> conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold
> temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You
> could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This
> guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether
> the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case,
> unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca...
> > Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
> >
> > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they
> > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and
> > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like
> > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used
> > which lasted over 3K.
> >
> > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or
> > it sure acts that way.
> >
> > Most older engines I have owned were like this.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions,
> you
> > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just
> > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it
> > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic
> > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on
> or
> > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA
> > > >

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

I think the flush was just in case they don't mix. It isn't needed,
Dino oil mixes with either the real or the fake synthetic.

My engines see short trips and cold so they choke is on more than normal
or the injection is still in 'choke' or cold run mode.

Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. My
latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC and the
odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out of them.... I
normally sell them as parts cars or in the 88's case it will go to the
crusher.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
> conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold
> temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You
> could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This
> guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether
> the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case,
> unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca...
> > Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
> >
> > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they
> > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and
> > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like
> > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used
> > which lasted over 3K.
> >
> > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or
> > it sure acts that way.
> >
> > Most older engines I have owned were like this.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions,
> you
> > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just
> > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it
> > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic
> > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on
> or
> > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA
> > > >

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

I think the flush was just in case they don't mix. It isn't needed,
Dino oil mixes with either the real or the fake synthetic.

My engines see short trips and cold so they choke is on more than normal
or the injection is still in 'choke' or cold run mode.

Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one. My
latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC and the
odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out of them.... I
normally sell them as parts cars or in the 88's case it will go to the
crusher.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind. Lots of
> conditions can make it that, like rust belt, water in the air, cold
> temperatures at night, short trips, maybe you're running a little rich. You
> could have a chemical analysis done, or keep doing what you are doing. This
> guy is talking about 3k oil changes since new, and worrying about whether
> the system needs to be "flushed". I seriously doubt that that is the case,
> unless of course he lives in a cold, wet area too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:449AB082.F459FE5A@sympatico.ca...
> > Well... My engines don't think so Earle.
> >
> > When my engines are down a liter of oil and I check the odometer, they
> > are usually due for the 3-4K mike change. If I don't change the oil and
> > just add a liter, both engines seem to start using oil pretty fast, like
> > in the 500-1000 mile per liter range instead of the first liter used
> > which lasted over 3K.
> >
> > I think the oil breaks down at that point and physically gets thinner or
> > it sure acts that way.
> >
> > Most older engines I have owned were like this.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless you are operating your vehicle under severe operating conditions,
> you
> > > are flushing money down the toilet changing oil every 3,000 miles. Just
> > > make sure that the oil is hot when drained, so you don't get sludge.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "JEEPMAN" <JPMN55@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:21874-449A77AA-163@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> > > > I know this has been discussed here before, but I'm going to bring it
> > > > up again: Is it too late to switch over from dino oil to a synthetic
> > > > blend at 28K? The model year is 2002 and I've had the oil changed on
> or
> > > > about every 3K miles. Also, does the system have to be flushed? TIA
> > > >

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca:

> Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one.
> My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC
> and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out
> of them....

I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine
Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly
spectacular vocabulary! ;-)

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca:

> Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one.
> My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC
> and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out
> of them....

I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine
Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly
spectacular vocabulary! ;-)

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:449ADA34.B131375D@sympatico.ca:

> Also figure I buy beaters. I seldom pay more than $50.00 for one.
> My latest Cherokee cost me a hundred bucks. I give them some TLC
> and the odd kick and curse and usually get 3 to 10 more years out
> of them....

I'd like to do that too but I didn't learn enough words in the Marine
Corps to make a hundred buck Cherokee run, you must have a truly
spectacular vocabulary! ;-)

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in
news:449ad17c$0$3482$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:

> That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind.

Everyone operates under "severe operating conditions". GM did a survey
years back and found over 90% of all cars were operated under severe
operating conditions.

Heat, dust, cold, etc. are all "severe operating conditions" and the
most common one is short trips, the general rule is if you start your
engine and turn it off in less than 30 minutes (and we all do that, my
drive to work only takes 15 minutes) that constitutes "severe operating
conditions".

Just ignore the "normal operating" section of the maintenance schedule,
it's very unlikely it applies to you.

Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
 

"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in
news:449ad17c$0$3482$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:

> That would be "severe operating conditions" of some kind.

Everyone operates under "severe operating conditions". GM did a survey
years back and found over 90% of all cars were operated under severe
operating conditions.

Heat, dust, cold, etc. are all "severe operating conditions" and the
most common one is short trips, the general rule is if you start your
engine and turn it off in less than 30 minutes (and we all do that, my
drive to work only takes 15 minutes) that constitutes "severe operating
conditions".

Just ignore the "normal operating" section of the maintenance schedule,
it's very unlikely it applies to you.