Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
#411
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Windows XP (and some others) maintain a 'last accessed' timestamp on
all files. I would guess that is what they are relying upon.
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:11:58 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
>They can't.
>
>They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
>logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
>you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
>tracks left behind.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
all files. I would guess that is what they are relying upon.
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:11:58 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
>They can't.
>
>They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
>logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
>you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
>tracks left behind.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#412
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Windows XP (and some others) maintain a 'last accessed' timestamp on
all files. I would guess that is what they are relying upon.
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:11:58 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
>They can't.
>
>They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
>logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
>you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
>tracks left behind.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
all files. I would guess that is what they are relying upon.
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:11:58 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
>They can't.
>
>They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
>logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
>you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
>tracks left behind.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#413
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
DougW wrote:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
users would behave in such a manner :-)
Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
wasn't me! :-)
--
FRH
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
users would behave in such a manner :-)
Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
wasn't me! :-)
--
FRH
#414
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
DougW wrote:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
users would behave in such a manner :-)
Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
wasn't me! :-)
--
FRH
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
users would behave in such a manner :-)
Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
wasn't me! :-)
--
FRH
#415
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
DougW wrote:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
users would behave in such a manner :-)
Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
wasn't me! :-)
--
FRH
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>> that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>> scammers for that information.
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
users would behave in such a manner :-)
Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
wasn't me! :-)
--
FRH
#416
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Frank_v7.0 did pass the time by typing:
> I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
> who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
> this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
> of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
> laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
> users would behave in such a manner :-)
Linux users acting badly? Never happens. :P http://www.linuxexposed.com/
> Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
> wasn't me! :-)
Currently running SELiunx on my "learning box". Interesting package if you
trust the NSA. :) http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
You should have seen the jaws drop at $dayjob when I first explained to them
that simply having a password and restricting the windoze luser accounts would
not keep a computer safe. Oh no.. "it's hacker proof" they said.
Then I whipped out my little ol knoppix disc and proceeded to boot up the
computer, pull out the password from all the local accounts and save a few
files to a USB thumb drive.
Of course I didn't tell them what was on the disc and broke it in two immediately
afterwards. ;)
Now they disable boot from cd/usb and protect the bios. Still, as long as I can
get access, Lin4Win will run. That or just take the freeping HD out and put it in
an external drive case.
No laptop will ever be truly secure till the encryption is hardware based and on
the harddrive.
--
DougW
> I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
> who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
> this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
> of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
> laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
> users would behave in such a manner :-)
Linux users acting badly? Never happens. :P http://www.linuxexposed.com/
> Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
> wasn't me! :-)
Currently running SELiunx on my "learning box". Interesting package if you
trust the NSA. :) http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
You should have seen the jaws drop at $dayjob when I first explained to them
that simply having a password and restricting the windoze luser accounts would
not keep a computer safe. Oh no.. "it's hacker proof" they said.
Then I whipped out my little ol knoppix disc and proceeded to boot up the
computer, pull out the password from all the local accounts and save a few
files to a USB thumb drive.
Of course I didn't tell them what was on the disc and broke it in two immediately
afterwards. ;)
Now they disable boot from cd/usb and protect the bios. Still, as long as I can
get access, Lin4Win will run. That or just take the freeping HD out and put it in
an external drive case.
No laptop will ever be truly secure till the encryption is hardware based and on
the harddrive.
--
DougW
#417
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Frank_v7.0 did pass the time by typing:
> I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
> who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
> this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
> of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
> laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
> users would behave in such a manner :-)
Linux users acting badly? Never happens. :P http://www.linuxexposed.com/
> Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
> wasn't me! :-)
Currently running SELiunx on my "learning box". Interesting package if you
trust the NSA. :) http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
You should have seen the jaws drop at $dayjob when I first explained to them
that simply having a password and restricting the windoze luser accounts would
not keep a computer safe. Oh no.. "it's hacker proof" they said.
Then I whipped out my little ol knoppix disc and proceeded to boot up the
computer, pull out the password from all the local accounts and save a few
files to a USB thumb drive.
Of course I didn't tell them what was on the disc and broke it in two immediately
afterwards. ;)
Now they disable boot from cd/usb and protect the bios. Still, as long as I can
get access, Lin4Win will run. That or just take the freeping HD out and put it in
an external drive case.
No laptop will ever be truly secure till the encryption is hardware based and on
the harddrive.
--
DougW
> I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
> who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
> this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
> of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
> laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
> users would behave in such a manner :-)
Linux users acting badly? Never happens. :P http://www.linuxexposed.com/
> Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
> wasn't me! :-)
Currently running SELiunx on my "learning box". Interesting package if you
trust the NSA. :) http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
You should have seen the jaws drop at $dayjob when I first explained to them
that simply having a password and restricting the windoze luser accounts would
not keep a computer safe. Oh no.. "it's hacker proof" they said.
Then I whipped out my little ol knoppix disc and proceeded to boot up the
computer, pull out the password from all the local accounts and save a few
files to a USB thumb drive.
Of course I didn't tell them what was on the disc and broke it in two immediately
afterwards. ;)
Now they disable boot from cd/usb and protect the bios. Still, as long as I can
get access, Lin4Win will run. That or just take the freeping HD out and put it in
an external drive case.
No laptop will ever be truly secure till the encryption is hardware based and on
the harddrive.
--
DougW
#418
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Frank_v7.0 did pass the time by typing:
> I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
> who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
> this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
> of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
> laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
> users would behave in such a manner :-)
Linux users acting badly? Never happens. :P http://www.linuxexposed.com/
> Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
> wasn't me! :-)
Currently running SELiunx on my "learning box". Interesting package if you
trust the NSA. :) http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
You should have seen the jaws drop at $dayjob when I first explained to them
that simply having a password and restricting the windoze luser accounts would
not keep a computer safe. Oh no.. "it's hacker proof" they said.
Then I whipped out my little ol knoppix disc and proceeded to boot up the
computer, pull out the password from all the local accounts and save a few
files to a USB thumb drive.
Of course I didn't tell them what was on the disc and broke it in two immediately
afterwards. ;)
Now they disable boot from cd/usb and protect the bios. Still, as long as I can
get access, Lin4Win will run. That or just take the freeping HD out and put it in
an external drive case.
No laptop will ever be truly secure till the encryption is hardware based and on
the harddrive.
--
DougW
> I think what they are relying on is the laptop was turned in by a thief
> who realized he had a hot potato and wanted to get clear. The limits of
> this guys tech savy was knowing he could sell a hot laptop for a couple
> of hundred bucks. He probably couldn't spell knoppix much less have a CD
> laying around. Besides I take great offense at the suggestion that Linux
> users would behave in such a manner :-)
Linux users acting badly? Never happens. :P http://www.linuxexposed.com/
> Using MEPIS 6.0 rc2 Linux OS and yes I have a Knoppix 5.0.1 CD and no it
> wasn't me! :-)
Currently running SELiunx on my "learning box". Interesting package if you
trust the NSA. :) http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
You should have seen the jaws drop at $dayjob when I first explained to them
that simply having a password and restricting the windoze luser accounts would
not keep a computer safe. Oh no.. "it's hacker proof" they said.
Then I whipped out my little ol knoppix disc and proceeded to boot up the
computer, pull out the password from all the local accounts and save a few
files to a USB thumb drive.
Of course I didn't tell them what was on the disc and broke it in two immediately
afterwards. ;)
Now they disable boot from cd/usb and protect the bios. Still, as long as I can
get access, Lin4Win will run. That or just take the freeping HD out and put it in
an external drive case.
No laptop will ever be truly secure till the encryption is hardware based and on
the harddrive.
--
DougW
#419
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
DougW proclaimed:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>>that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>>scammers for that information.
>
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
Any self respecting data thief that has never heard of Lazarus and
similar probably wouldn't know what to do with the information if they
did get any. As for phishing for the information, that is contradictory
as they wouldn't be phishing if they already had it. On the subject of
phishing, has anyone noticed the big drop in quality lately? Poor
spelling, logos that look like they were done with MS Paint, just truly
lame reasons why it is being sent, etc. What *has* this country come to?
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>>that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>>scammers for that information.
>
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
Any self respecting data thief that has never heard of Lazarus and
similar probably wouldn't know what to do with the information if they
did get any. As for phishing for the information, that is contradictory
as they wouldn't be phishing if they already had it. On the subject of
phishing, has anyone noticed the big drop in quality lately? Poor
spelling, logos that look like they were done with MS Paint, just truly
lame reasons why it is being sent, etc. What *has* this country come to?
#420
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
DougW proclaimed:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>>that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>>scammers for that information.
>
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
Any self respecting data thief that has never heard of Lazarus and
similar probably wouldn't know what to do with the information if they
did get any. As for phishing for the information, that is contradictory
as they wouldn't be phishing if they already had it. On the subject of
phishing, has anyone noticed the big drop in quality lately? Poor
spelling, logos that look like they were done with MS Paint, just truly
lame reasons why it is being sent, etc. What *has* this country come to?
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
>
>> They found the the computer. But I'm wondering how they may tell
>>that information wasn't copied. Specially since I'm being phished by
>>scammers for that information.
>
>
> They can't.
>
> They are relying on system file dates that get updated every time someone
> logs onto the machine. Problem is if you have a Knoppix disc (bootable linux)
> you can simply boot from that, copy what ever you want, and there are no
> tracks left behind.
>
Any self respecting data thief that has never heard of Lazarus and
similar probably wouldn't know what to do with the information if they
did get any. As for phishing for the information, that is contradictory
as they wouldn't be phishing if they already had it. On the subject of
phishing, has anyone noticed the big drop in quality lately? Poor
spelling, logos that look like they were done with MS Paint, just truly
lame reasons why it is being sent, etc. What *has* this country come to?