Hey Larry... I highly recommend the Cooper STT if they are the new tread
pattern...I'm running them on my ZJ and perform awesome in mud but not the
very best on rock... The Coopers replaced my Goodyear MT/R's and I'll never
look back...they have great road manners although a lil' noisy but no more
than the MT/R's...
The other tire I would look at if I were you would be the Interco TrXus
MT...these are the best tire I've run on a daily driver (my '03 TJ)....it's
awesome in mud and traction on rock is amazing with a nice road ride with a
lot less road noise than most any other MT and the siping sure beats the
hell out of driving on a solid block MT on ice...
Good luck!
Jeff




"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:dpa7p2$amr$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Man, it must suck paying import prices for an American tire. $255 for a
> tire's ridiculous unless it's a pro set that'll get thrashed in a day.
> Then again, if you're doin' that, you're throwing your head back and
> laughing as you watch the money drain 'cause you don't even care...
> Have a good time down there and Happy New Year!
> Drink
> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43b895ab$0$18199$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Thanks to everyone who replied with advice, and to Billy Ray for the
>> pdf's.
>> I've been thinking alot about the Wrangler MTR's- we don't get the
>> Rubicon Wranglers down under, so at least I can get the tyres!
>> The Kumhos are definately worth looking at, especially at the price-$185
>> each. The Coopers are $255 each, still waiting on a price from Goodyear.
>> Rusted, I'm in Mt Waverley, in the Eastern suburbs. ANY Jeep looks good
>> next to a Toyota! Unlike most Toyota drivers, I get my Jeep filthy as
>> often as possible.
>> I hate speed cameras.
>> Thanks again.
>> Larry.
>> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:43b7b7c4$0$17702$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ.
>>> Every time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got
>>> to ask it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask
>>> for some advice.
>>> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of
>>> wrangler gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show
>>> them a bit of mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is
>>> completely stock. Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a
>>> trac-lok diff, so tyres become a bit more important.
>>> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
>>> 1- Cooper STT
>>> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
>>> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
>>> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can
>>> change every 5 minutes.
>>> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
>>> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you
>>> for speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
>>> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Happy New Year.
>>> Larry in Melbourne Australia.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Hey Larry... I highly recommend the Cooper STT if they are the new tread
pattern...I'm running them on my ZJ and perform awesome in mud but not the
very best on rock... The Coopers replaced my Goodyear MT/R's and I'll never
look back...they have great road manners although a lil' noisy but no more
than the MT/R's...
The other tire I would look at if I were you would be the Interco TrXus
MT...these are the best tire I've run on a daily driver (my '03 TJ)....it's
awesome in mud and traction on rock is amazing with a nice road ride with a
lot less road noise than most any other MT and the siping sure beats the
hell out of driving on a solid block MT on ice...
Good luck!
Jeff




"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:dpa7p2$amr$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Man, it must suck paying import prices for an American tire. $255 for a
> tire's ridiculous unless it's a pro set that'll get thrashed in a day.
> Then again, if you're doin' that, you're throwing your head back and
> laughing as you watch the money drain 'cause you don't even care...
> Have a good time down there and Happy New Year!
> Drink
> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43b895ab$0$18199$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Thanks to everyone who replied with advice, and to Billy Ray for the
>> pdf's.
>> I've been thinking alot about the Wrangler MTR's- we don't get the
>> Rubicon Wranglers down under, so at least I can get the tyres!
>> The Kumhos are definately worth looking at, especially at the price-$185
>> each. The Coopers are $255 each, still waiting on a price from Goodyear.
>> Rusted, I'm in Mt Waverley, in the Eastern suburbs. ANY Jeep looks good
>> next to a Toyota! Unlike most Toyota drivers, I get my Jeep filthy as
>> often as possible.
>> I hate speed cameras.
>> Thanks again.
>> Larry.
>> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:43b7b7c4$0$17702$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ.
>>> Every time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got
>>> to ask it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask
>>> for some advice.
>>> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of
>>> wrangler gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show
>>> them a bit of mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is
>>> completely stock. Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a
>>> trac-lok diff, so tyres become a bit more important.
>>> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
>>> 1- Cooper STT
>>> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
>>> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
>>> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can
>>> change every 5 minutes.
>>> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
>>> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you
>>> for speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
>>> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Happy New Year.
>>> Larry in Melbourne Australia.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Mt Waverley us a nice place, I lived in Lilydale and Frankston for awhile,
and had friends in Waverley. Post some links to some photos of your off
road trips.


"Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:43b895ab$0$18199$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Thanks to everyone who replied with advice, and to Billy Ray for the
> pdf's.
> I've been thinking alot about the Wrangler MTR's- we don't get the Rubicon
> Wranglers down under, so at least I can get the tyres!
> The Kumhos are definately worth looking at, especially at the price-$185
> each. The Coopers are $255 each, still waiting on a price from Goodyear.
> Rusted, I'm in Mt Waverley, in the Eastern suburbs. ANY Jeep looks good
> next to a Toyota! Unlike most Toyota drivers, I get my Jeep filthy as
> often as possible.
> I hate speed cameras.
> Thanks again.
> Larry.
> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43b7b7c4$0$17702$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ.
>> Every time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got
>> to ask it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask
>> for some advice.
>> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of
>> wrangler gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show them
>> a bit of mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is completely
>> stock. Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a trac-lok
>> diff, so tyres become a bit more important.
>> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
>> 1- Cooper STT
>> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
>> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
>> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can
>> change every 5 minutes.
>> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
>> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you
>> for speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
>> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Happy New Year.
>> Larry in Melbourne Australia.
>>
>
>

 

Mt Waverley us a nice place, I lived in Lilydale and Frankston for awhile,
and had friends in Waverley. Post some links to some photos of your off
road trips.


"Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:43b895ab$0$18199$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Thanks to everyone who replied with advice, and to Billy Ray for the
> pdf's.
> I've been thinking alot about the Wrangler MTR's- we don't get the Rubicon
> Wranglers down under, so at least I can get the tyres!
> The Kumhos are definately worth looking at, especially at the price-$185
> each. The Coopers are $255 each, still waiting on a price from Goodyear.
> Rusted, I'm in Mt Waverley, in the Eastern suburbs. ANY Jeep looks good
> next to a Toyota! Unlike most Toyota drivers, I get my Jeep filthy as
> often as possible.
> I hate speed cameras.
> Thanks again.
> Larry.
> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43b7b7c4$0$17702$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ.
>> Every time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got
>> to ask it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask
>> for some advice.
>> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of
>> wrangler gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show them
>> a bit of mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is completely
>> stock. Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a trac-lok
>> diff, so tyres become a bit more important.
>> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
>> 1- Cooper STT
>> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
>> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
>> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can
>> change every 5 minutes.
>> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
>> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you
>> for speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
>> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Happy New Year.
>> Larry in Melbourne Australia.
>>
>
>

 

Mt Waverley us a nice place, I lived in Lilydale and Frankston for awhile,
and had friends in Waverley. Post some links to some photos of your off
road trips.


"Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:43b895ab$0$18199$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Thanks to everyone who replied with advice, and to Billy Ray for the
> pdf's.
> I've been thinking alot about the Wrangler MTR's- we don't get the Rubicon
> Wranglers down under, so at least I can get the tyres!
> The Kumhos are definately worth looking at, especially at the price-$185
> each. The Coopers are $255 each, still waiting on a price from Goodyear.
> Rusted, I'm in Mt Waverley, in the Eastern suburbs. ANY Jeep looks good
> next to a Toyota! Unlike most Toyota drivers, I get my Jeep filthy as
> often as possible.
> I hate speed cameras.
> Thanks again.
> Larry.
> "Fruitfly" <lamvan@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43b7b7c4$0$17702$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ.
>> Every time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got
>> to ask it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask
>> for some advice.
>> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of
>> wrangler gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show them
>> a bit of mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is completely
>> stock. Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a trac-lok
>> diff, so tyres become a bit more important.
>> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
>> 1- Cooper STT
>> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
>> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
>> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can
>> change every 5 minutes.
>> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
>> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you
>> for speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
>> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Happy New Year.
>> Larry in Melbourne Australia.
>>
>
>

 

We offroad trail run our 88 Cherokee and regularly run for hours on the
highway in 4x4 and have BFG AT's on our Cherokee (our trip last weekend
was 5 hours in 4x4 in a snowstorm to get to camp).

Unfortunately for us, we had a chance to swap rims with someone who had
just as new tires on so we did a direct swap. We ended up going from a
P225/75 R15 to a P235/75 R15.

Are we ever disappointed with the degradation of the traction! We lost
very noticeable amounts of start up traction with the wider tire and
lost about 10 mph of 'safe' control on the highway. It starts to float
about 10 mph lower with the wider tires on it. It also spins easier in
mud and sand.

Oh well, live and learn, I won't oversize tires on anything again
without a lot more thought or at least trying them on someone else's to
compare.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Fruitfly wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ. Every
> time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got to ask
> it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask for some
> advice.
> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of wrangler
> gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show them a bit of
> mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is completely stock.
> Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a trac-lok diff, so tyres
> become a bit more important.
> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
> 1- Cooper STT
> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can change
> every 5 minutes.
> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you for
> speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> Happy New Year.
> Larry in Melbourne Australia.

 

We offroad trail run our 88 Cherokee and regularly run for hours on the
highway in 4x4 and have BFG AT's on our Cherokee (our trip last weekend
was 5 hours in 4x4 in a snowstorm to get to camp).

Unfortunately for us, we had a chance to swap rims with someone who had
just as new tires on so we did a direct swap. We ended up going from a
P225/75 R15 to a P235/75 R15.

Are we ever disappointed with the degradation of the traction! We lost
very noticeable amounts of start up traction with the wider tire and
lost about 10 mph of 'safe' control on the highway. It starts to float
about 10 mph lower with the wider tires on it. It also spins easier in
mud and sand.

Oh well, live and learn, I won't oversize tires on anything again
without a lot more thought or at least trying them on someone else's to
compare.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Fruitfly wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ. Every
> time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got to ask
> it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask for some
> advice.
> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of wrangler
> gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show them a bit of
> mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is completely stock.
> Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a trac-lok diff, so tyres
> become a bit more important.
> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
> 1- Cooper STT
> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can change
> every 5 minutes.
> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you for
> speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> Happy New Year.
> Larry in Melbourne Australia.

 

We offroad trail run our 88 Cherokee and regularly run for hours on the
highway in 4x4 and have BFG AT's on our Cherokee (our trip last weekend
was 5 hours in 4x4 in a snowstorm to get to camp).

Unfortunately for us, we had a chance to swap rims with someone who had
just as new tires on so we did a direct swap. We ended up going from a
P225/75 R15 to a P235/75 R15.

Are we ever disappointed with the degradation of the traction! We lost
very noticeable amounts of start up traction with the wider tire and
lost about 10 mph of 'safe' control on the highway. It starts to float
about 10 mph lower with the wider tires on it. It also spins easier in
mud and sand.

Oh well, live and learn, I won't oversize tires on anything again
without a lot more thought or at least trying them on someone else's to
compare.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Fruitfly wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been a lurker here for the last 3 months, ever since I got my XJ. Every
> time I've had a question, the answer's been here before I even got to ask
> it. You guys and gals are a wealth of info, so I thought I'd ask for some
> advice.
> I need (read want) new tyres on my XJ to replace a near new set of wrangler
> gsa's. These are ok on the highway, but as soon as you show them a bit of
> mud they turn to slicks.My XJ's a '95 Classic, and is completely stock.
> Unfortunately, being a '95 Classic it doesn't have a trac-lok diff, so tyres
> become a bit more important.
> I've narrowed the choice down to 3, all 235/75R15.
> 1- Cooper STT
> 2-Goodyear Wrangler MTR
> 3-Kumho Venturer 834
> Most of the tracks we travel are rocks and mud,but the conditions can change
> every 5 minutes.
> I've been told I can fit 30x9.5's, but these are nearly 2" bigger then
> stock. In the police state I live in, they use radar cameras to book you for
> speeding, so I don't want to have the speedo out too much.
> Any advice or experiences with these tyres would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> Happy New Year.
> Larry in Melbourne Australia.

 

Mike,
Over the years, I've always known you as a staunch advocate of thinner
tires. Not sure why I like that but I do:) I'd go with thin tires myself
for a couple of reasons but the sand terrain down here reminds us pretty
quickly that, sometimes, we can dig down all we want and it won't help us a
bit. Heck, in the real sand, you can dig down to the water table somewhere
just past the axles. Haha!
When I was younger, I could usually make a couple of bucks from snowbirds
out on the island who got stuck five feet from the pavement. It was always
the same story. They'd leave a bar on vacation and instead of driving back
out, they'd look at the fluffy white beach sand and think, "These rednecks
don't know how to drive on snow!" After bogging their 2WD S10's down to the
body, they'd look for the guy with the big Jeep and offer some walk-around
money for a tug instead of waiting for cops to ask questions... Hehe.
Drink
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BBDCBE.37632D81@sympatico.ca...
> We offroad trail run our 88 Cherokee and regularly run for hours on the
> highway in 4x4 and have BFG AT's on our Cherokee (our trip last weekend
> was 5 hours in 4x4 in a snowstorm to get to camp).
>
> Unfortunately for us, we had a chance to swap rims with someone who had
> just as new tires on so we did a direct swap. We ended up going from a
> P225/75 R15 to a P235/75 R15.
>
> Are we ever disappointed with the degradation of the traction! We lost
> very noticeable amounts of start up traction with the wider tire and
> lost about 10 mph of 'safe' control on the highway. It starts to float
> about 10 mph lower with the wider tires on it. It also spins easier in
> mud and sand.
>
> Oh well, live and learn, I won't oversize tires on anything again
> without a lot more thought or at least trying them on someone else's to
> compare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Mike,
Over the years, I've always known you as a staunch advocate of thinner
tires. Not sure why I like that but I do:) I'd go with thin tires myself
for a couple of reasons but the sand terrain down here reminds us pretty
quickly that, sometimes, we can dig down all we want and it won't help us a
bit. Heck, in the real sand, you can dig down to the water table somewhere
just past the axles. Haha!
When I was younger, I could usually make a couple of bucks from snowbirds
out on the island who got stuck five feet from the pavement. It was always
the same story. They'd leave a bar on vacation and instead of driving back
out, they'd look at the fluffy white beach sand and think, "These rednecks
don't know how to drive on snow!" After bogging their 2WD S10's down to the
body, they'd look for the guy with the big Jeep and offer some walk-around
money for a tug instead of waiting for cops to ask questions... Hehe.
Drink
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BBDCBE.37632D81@sympatico.ca...
> We offroad trail run our 88 Cherokee and regularly run for hours on the
> highway in 4x4 and have BFG AT's on our Cherokee (our trip last weekend
> was 5 hours in 4x4 in a snowstorm to get to camp).
>
> Unfortunately for us, we had a chance to swap rims with someone who had
> just as new tires on so we did a direct swap. We ended up going from a
> P225/75 R15 to a P235/75 R15.
>
> Are we ever disappointed with the degradation of the traction! We lost
> very noticeable amounts of start up traction with the wider tire and
> lost about 10 mph of 'safe' control on the highway. It starts to float
> about 10 mph lower with the wider tires on it. It also spins easier in
> mud and sand.
>
> Oh well, live and learn, I won't oversize tires on anything again
> without a lot more thought or at least trying them on someone else's to
> compare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)