Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
around?

I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
"those damned theives...".

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jimmie wrote:
> >
> > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.


--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
collection.

I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
about 6 years after the wreck.

A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
bit with some of that.

--
Will Honea