Typical Dealer Service
 

Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

They go by their book and don't take the time/effort to use some common
sense and look at each situation when doing the work.

Jimmie wrote:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

They go by their book and don't take the time/effort to use some common
sense and look at each situation when doing the work.

Jimmie wrote:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

They go by their book and don't take the time/effort to use some common
sense and look at each situation when doing the work.

Jimmie wrote:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

They go by their book and don't take the time/effort to use some common
sense and look at each situation when doing the work.

Jimmie wrote:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Jimmie" <Gfender@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
news:nTUGc.101716$wH4.5770935@twister.southeast.rr .com:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic
> balancer and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked
> about getting the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all
> of thirty minutes to do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as
> if they had to do it from scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Thought I'd check to see how much the dealer would charge for a cooling
system flush, sign behind me said $70. The "service manager" quoted me
$80. And no, he didn't know what vehicle I had. Changing the thermostat
BTW, would cost $100.

This was the same 5-star dealer that charged me $300 to change the trans
and rear-end fluids. He only had a listing in the book for a 4WD. He
said he'd knock off a hundred because I had a 2WD, but he ended up
charging me full price cause he said "it took the same amount of time".

Needless to say, I'm done with this dealer (at the very least). I don't
know what 5-star gets you, but it isn't good service.

That's why I'll be bugging the folks in this group. So I can try to more
work myself. Even though it will probably cost me the same in the end.
LOL.

--
pat - pat(underscore)blank(at)hotmail(dot)com
93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 235s 171K

"The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Jimmie" <Gfender@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
news:nTUGc.101716$wH4.5770935@twister.southeast.rr .com:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic
> balancer and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked
> about getting the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all
> of thirty minutes to do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as
> if they had to do it from scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Thought I'd check to see how much the dealer would charge for a cooling
system flush, sign behind me said $70. The "service manager" quoted me
$80. And no, he didn't know what vehicle I had. Changing the thermostat
BTW, would cost $100.

This was the same 5-star dealer that charged me $300 to change the trans
and rear-end fluids. He only had a listing in the book for a 4WD. He
said he'd knock off a hundred because I had a 2WD, but he ended up
charging me full price cause he said "it took the same amount of time".

Needless to say, I'm done with this dealer (at the very least). I don't
know what 5-star gets you, but it isn't good service.

That's why I'll be bugging the folks in this group. So I can try to more
work myself. Even though it will probably cost me the same in the end.
LOL.

--
pat - pat(underscore)blank(at)hotmail(dot)com
93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 235s 171K

"The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Jimmie" <Gfender@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
news:nTUGc.101716$wH4.5770935@twister.southeast.rr .com:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic
> balancer and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked
> about getting the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all
> of thirty minutes to do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as
> if they had to do it from scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Thought I'd check to see how much the dealer would charge for a cooling
system flush, sign behind me said $70. The "service manager" quoted me
$80. And no, he didn't know what vehicle I had. Changing the thermostat
BTW, would cost $100.

This was the same 5-star dealer that charged me $300 to change the trans
and rear-end fluids. He only had a listing in the book for a 4WD. He
said he'd knock off a hundred because I had a 2WD, but he ended up
charging me full price cause he said "it took the same amount of time".

Needless to say, I'm done with this dealer (at the very least). I don't
know what 5-star gets you, but it isn't good service.

That's why I'll be bugging the folks in this group. So I can try to more
work myself. Even though it will probably cost me the same in the end.
LOL.

--
pat - pat(underscore)blank(at)hotmail(dot)com
93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 235s 171K

"The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Jimmie" <Gfender@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
news:nTUGc.101716$wH4.5770935@twister.southeast.rr .com:

> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic
> balancer and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked
> about getting the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all
> of thirty minutes to do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as
> if they had to do it from scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
>

Thought I'd check to see how much the dealer would charge for a cooling
system flush, sign behind me said $70. The "service manager" quoted me
$80. And no, he didn't know what vehicle I had. Changing the thermostat
BTW, would cost $100.

This was the same 5-star dealer that charged me $300 to change the trans
and rear-end fluids. He only had a listing in the book for a 4WD. He
said he'd knock off a hundred because I had a 2WD, but he ended up
charging me full price cause he said "it took the same amount of time".

Needless to say, I'm done with this dealer (at the very least). I don't
know what 5-star gets you, but it isn't good service.

That's why I'll be bugging the folks in this group. So I can try to more
work myself. Even though it will probably cost me the same in the end.
LOL.

--
pat - pat(underscore)blank(at)hotmail(dot)com
93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 235s 171K

"The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Tell me about it!

My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
the wrench.

A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.

I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
them as well as I changed the master a year ago.

They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!

Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
is the only 'really' broken part for sure....

Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
slides. Jerks...

The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
why she took it in.....

I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
move too far on the first pump just like last time.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jimmie wrote:
>
> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Tell me about it!

My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
the wrench.

A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.

I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
them as well as I changed the master a year ago.

They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!

Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
is the only 'really' broken part for sure....

Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
slides. Jerks...

The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
why she took it in.....

I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
move too far on the first pump just like last time.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jimmie wrote:
>
> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Tell me about it!

My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
the wrench.

A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.

I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
them as well as I changed the master a year ago.

They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!

Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
is the only 'really' broken part for sure....

Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
slides. Jerks...

The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
why she took it in.....

I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
move too far on the first pump just like last time.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jimmie wrote:
>
> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Tell me about it!

My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
the wrench.

A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.

I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
them as well as I changed the master a year ago.

They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!

Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
is the only 'really' broken part for sure....

Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
slides. Jerks...

The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
why she took it in.....

I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
move too far on the first pump just like last time.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jimmie wrote:
>
> Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"flashing" Release and pull your emergency brake paddle back
another knock.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"flashing" Release and pull your emergency brake paddle back
another knock.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"flashing" Release and pull your emergency brake paddle back
another knock.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"flashing" Release and pull your emergency brake paddle back
another knock.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
around?

I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
"those damned theives...".

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jimmie wrote:
> >
> > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.


--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
around?

I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
"those damned theives...".

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jimmie wrote:
> >
> > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.


--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
around?

I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
"those damned theives...".

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jimmie wrote:
> >
> > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.


--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
around?

I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
"those damned theives...".

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Tell me about it!
>
> My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> the wrench.
>
> A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
>
> I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
>
> They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
>
> Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
>
> Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> slides. Jerks...
>
> The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> why she took it in.....
>
> I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> move too far on the first pump just like last time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jimmie wrote:
> >
> > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.


--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

"Free"? Now you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Not
even the air from the hose at the gas pumps in the old service station
days was free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are about ready for a handy impact wrench - or a
> longer 'cheater' for the lug wrench. That neck still not coming
> around?
>
> I made it a point to send my daughter in for a 'free' inspection a
> while back then took her with me when I bought the parts she needed
> for all 4 wheels. As she paid the bill she kept muttering about
> "those damned theives...".
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:30:43 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it!
> >
> > My wife just called after she took our Cherokee in for a 'free' brake
> > inspection because the light is flashing and the damn lug nuts are on
> > too tight for her to get them off and I am not physically able to turn
> > the wrench.
> >
> > A flashing brake light means a pressure mis match or pedal travel issue.
> >
> > I 'know' the pads and shoes are less than 1 year old with very low km on
> > them as well as I changed the master a year ago.
> >
> > They told her she needs all new pads, rotors, shoes, drums, calipers and
> > wheel cylinders to the tune of a thousand bucks!!!!
> >
> > Assholes even missed the busted e-brake cable in their estimate. That
> > is the only 'really' broken part for sure....
> >
> > Calipers are sticky they say. Need new instead of just greasing the
> > slides. Jerks...
> >
> > The did 'not' identify the 'cause' of the flashing brake light which is
> > why she took it in.....
> >
> > I'll bet money I find another pad or shoe separated from the metal
> > backing plate which pushes in the wheel cylinder causing the pedal to
> > move too far on the first pump just like last time.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jimmie wrote:
> > >
> > > Wife took her Cherokee into the local dealer to get the harmonic balancer
> > > and timing chain cover fixed. While it was torn down I asked about getting
> > > the water pump replaced. Probably would have taken all of thirty minutes to
> > > do it. They wanted $200 labor, the same price as if they had to do it from
> > > scratch.Guess where I will never go back to.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
collection.

I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
about 6 years after the wreck.

A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
bit with some of that.

--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
collection.

I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
about 6 years after the wreck.

A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
bit with some of that.

--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
collection.

I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
about 6 years after the wreck.

A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
bit with some of that.

--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.

Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
collection.

I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
about 6 years after the wreck.

A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
bit with some of that.

--
Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> > some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> > this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> > me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Thanks, actually my physio has already figured me out fairly good. I
have the correct back brace for car seats for my size and have to use it
in the Cherokee. When I do, I have no arm issues. They have played
with arm braces too. I have to watch it because my whole left upper
side will totally seize if I move wrong. Never thought of it for the TJ
because my CJ fits nice.

A friend is on his way over now to take me camping at a big Canadian
Folk festival for the next few days and I am taking the brace for sure.
We are volunteers at the event in the kids area. He has 2 under 10
years old still, mine is over 20.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> > some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> > this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> > me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Thanks, actually my physio has already figured me out fairly good. I
have the correct back brace for car seats for my size and have to use it
in the Cherokee. When I do, I have no arm issues. They have played
with arm braces too. I have to watch it because my whole left upper
side will totally seize if I move wrong. Never thought of it for the TJ
because my CJ fits nice.

A friend is on his way over now to take me camping at a big Canadian
Folk festival for the next few days and I am taking the brace for sure.
We are volunteers at the event in the kids area. He has 2 under 10
years old still, mine is over 20.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> > some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> > this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> > me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Thanks, actually my physio has already figured me out fairly good. I
have the correct back brace for car seats for my size and have to use it
in the Cherokee. When I do, I have no arm issues. They have played
with arm braces too. I have to watch it because my whole left upper
side will totally seize if I move wrong. Never thought of it for the TJ
because my CJ fits nice.

A friend is on his way over now to take me camping at a big Canadian
Folk festival for the next few days and I am taking the brace for sure.
We are volunteers at the event in the kids area. He has 2 under 10
years old still, mine is over 20.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:19:10 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a compressor pump in the garage. Maybe time to get a tank and
> > some air tools. Pinched nerves are nasty, my left hand can barely move
> > this week and that's just from driving 4 hours in a seat that didn't fit
> > me. The neck pinch spazes out my left side bad.
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Thanks, actually my physio has already figured me out fairly good. I
have the correct back brace for car seats for my size and have to use it
in the Cherokee. When I do, I have no arm issues. They have played
with arm braces too. I have to watch it because my whole left upper
side will totally seize if I move wrong. Never thought of it for the TJ
because my CJ fits nice.

A friend is on his way over now to take me camping at a big Canadian
Folk festival for the next few days and I am taking the brace for sure.
We are volunteers at the event in the kids area. He has 2 under 10
years old still, mine is over 20.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I think Mike, told us of a mini stroke, too. Which may give the
same symptoms as of a pinched nerve, paralyzed lim with pain.
I sling an arm in a walker to relieve some of the twist off my
L5-S1 in order to sleep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Will Honea wrote:
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I think Mike, told us of a mini stroke, too. Which may give the
same symptoms as of a pinched nerve, paralyzed lim with pain.
I sling an arm in a walker to relieve some of the twist off my
L5-S1 in order to sleep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Typical Dealer Service
 

I think Mike, told us of a mini stroke, too. Which may give the
same symptoms as of a pinched nerve, paralyzed lim with pain.
I sling an arm in a walker to relieve some of the twist off my
L5-S1 in order to sleep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Just a bad case of tendonitis in both forearms (couldn't trun a
> screwdriver - period) a few years back was enough to start my air tool
> collection.
>
> I watched my Dad fight a pinched nerve in the neck for years so I can
> visualize the problems you are fighting. Only encouragement I can
> give is that in Dad's case it finally stopped bothering him completely
> about 6 years after the wreck.
>
> A thought: When Dad first got hurt he had a therapist who ran him
> thru the wringer and came up with some positions he could rest his
> arms in to the minimize the affects - things like sleeping on one side
> or the other, using a sling at times, driving with a pillow in his lap
> for the arm on the worst side (to take the weight off), etc. He also
> got relief by putting his chin on a bar and stretching his neck by
> trying to lift himself with his chin. You might want to experiment a
> bit with some of that.
>
> --
> Will Honea