Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
11-14-2005, 08:26 PM
#21
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Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all with
the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought a new
one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The original
shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold grease
anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
most unpleasant imaginable.
In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes are
somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is vital.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
> joint, ect?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>>
>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>
>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>
>
I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all with
the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought a new
one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The original
shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold grease
anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
most unpleasant imaginable.
In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes are
somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is vital.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
> joint, ect?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>>
>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>
>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>
>
11-14-2005, 08:26 PM
#22
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Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all with
the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought a new
one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The original
shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold grease
anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
most unpleasant imaginable.
In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes are
somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is vital.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
> joint, ect?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>>
>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>
>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>
>
I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all with
the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought a new
one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The original
shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold grease
anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
most unpleasant imaginable.
In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes are
somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is vital.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
> joint, ect?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>>
>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>
>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>
>
11-14-2005, 09:09 PM
#23
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Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
11-14-2005, 09:09 PM
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
11-14-2005, 09:09 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
11-15-2005, 09:20 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
Sounds like the one your are replacing may have been a high angle shaft
maybe?
BillM
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
> with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
> standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
> it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
>> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>>
>> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
>> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I
>> bought a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center
>> joint. The original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is
>> unable to hold grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would
>> let go at a very unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull
>> moment into one of the most unpleasant imaginable.
>>
>> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
>> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
>> vital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far
>>> if your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>>> joint, ect?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>>
>>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about
>>>> a foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
maybe?
BillM
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
> with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
> standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
> it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
>> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>>
>> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
>> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I
>> bought a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center
>> joint. The original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is
>> unable to hold grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would
>> let go at a very unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull
>> moment into one of the most unpleasant imaginable.
>>
>> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
>> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
>> vital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far
>>> if your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>>> joint, ect?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>>
>>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about
>>>> a foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
11-15-2005, 09:20 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
Sounds like the one your are replacing may have been a high angle shaft
maybe?
BillM
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
> with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
> standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
> it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
>> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>>
>> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
>> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I
>> bought a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center
>> joint. The original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is
>> unable to hold grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would
>> let go at a very unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull
>> moment into one of the most unpleasant imaginable.
>>
>> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
>> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
>> vital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far
>>> if your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>>> joint, ect?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>>
>>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about
>>>> a foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
maybe?
BillM
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
> with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
> standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
> it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
>> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>>
>> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
>> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I
>> bought a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center
>> joint. The original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is
>> unable to hold grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would
>> let go at a very unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull
>> moment into one of the most unpleasant imaginable.
>>
>> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
>> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
>> vital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far
>>> if your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>>> joint, ect?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>>
>>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about
>>>> a foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
11-15-2005, 09:20 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
Sounds like the one your are replacing may have been a high angle shaft
maybe?
BillM
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
> with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
> standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
> it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
>> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>>
>> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
>> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I
>> bought a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center
>> joint. The original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is
>> unable to hold grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would
>> let go at a very unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull
>> moment into one of the most unpleasant imaginable.
>>
>> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
>> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
>> vital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far
>>> if your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>>> joint, ect?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>>
>>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about
>>>> a foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
maybe?
BillM
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
> with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
> standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
> it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
>> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>>
>> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
>> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I
>> bought a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center
>> joint. The original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is
>> unable to hold grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would
>> let go at a very unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull
>> moment into one of the most unpleasant imaginable.
>>
>> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
>> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
>> vital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far
>>> if your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>>> joint, ect?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>>
>>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about
>>>> a foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
11-16-2005, 03:34 AM
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Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
Don't TJs come with double-cardan standard on the front as well? Mine sure
did come like that from factory (and the one that was replaced under
warranty because the original had developed a bend).
TW
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
did come like that from factory (and the one that was replaced under
warranty because the original had developed a bend).
TW
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
11-16-2005, 03:34 AM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: Troubles with Double Cardan Joint
Don't TJs come with double-cardan standard on the front as well? Mine sure
did come like that from factory (and the one that was replaced under
warranty because the original had developed a bend).
TW
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
>
did come like that from factory (and the one that was replaced under
warranty because the original had developed a bend).
TW
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iY2dnaGiQ6-g3uTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
How high is your Jeep lifted? I had 7.5" on my 89 YJ and I did just fine
with the 2-joint system on the front. Only XJ's have the double-cardon
standard on the front (which is what lead me to belive you had an XJ). If
it's in the budget, You might try a new shaft from Tom Wood.
Carl
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NuadnQyvlejCpOTeRVn-qw@ez2.net...
> To be honest, I don't know what the angle is.
>
> I bought my Jeep as it sits, then broke a spring so I replaced them all
> with the same amount of lift. The driveshaft had worn splines, so I bought
> a new one. The new one is the one that keeps eating the center joint. The
> original shaft never gave me a moment of trouble, but it is unable to hold
> grease anymore, and I was worried that the splines would let go at a very
> unpleasant moment, or let go and turn a wonderfull moment into one of the
> most unpleasant imaginable.
>
> In any case, I think the body of the H-yoke and the various other yokes
> are somehow different shapes by an 1/8 inch or so, and this 1/8 inch is
> vital.
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rdydncXlcobfLereRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>> Sorry, Jeff, I thought you had an XJ. Can you get an angle finder and
>> measure your pinion angle? I can see the double cardon flexing too far if
>> your angle was *really* bad but I think it would be easy to visually
>> confirm. Is the pinion pointed straight back or is it pointed at the
>> output yoke of the t-case? Can you get some pictures of the pinion, CV
>> joint, ect?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:a5qdnfnKUaEA4erenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:beqdnWmbpIXP7-venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> The part you are trying to name is a centering yoke. I replaced one on
>>>> my 89 XJ before. What a PITA. Be exeptionally careful with the little
>>>> red cap on the back of the new one. I'd probably just go pull a used
>>>> shaft from a junkyard XJ, slam 3 $10 U-joints and a $60 centering yoke
>>>> in it and be done with it. Keep the offending unit as a trail spare.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually bought the new center yoke and two U-Joints (I need three
>>> joints, but one of them has the the yoke holes so mangled that I can't
>>> get that joint out.) When I reinstalled the shaft, I noticed that the
>>> various yokes very nearly strike one another at normal ride-height, and
>>> when the axle drops, then a strike is assured. I have to look at my
>>> current Trail Spare (and get it trail worthy) and see if there is an
>>> machining difference in the old parts and the new ones that causes the
>>> strike opportunities. My old drive shaft did not have the problems with
>>> strikes, but the splines have worn out so I bought a new drive shaft a
>>> few years ago, and now the worn splines are the Trail Spare.
>>>
>>> I could go pull a used shaft from an XJ, but I think it would be about a
>>> foot too long to fit my CJ5.
>>
>>
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