Transfer case options
10-30-2003, 12:49 PM
#21
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Re: Transfer case options
If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
unless he's swapped it out.
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
>
> A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
> giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.
>
> You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
want
> to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
4:1
> instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
>
> Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
> to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
lock
> and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
> 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
>
> With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
> 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
>
>
>
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
> >
>
> You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
> Twin Stick.
>
>
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
The
> cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
but
> the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
> thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
> case with gears, so you decide.
>
>
>
>
unless he's swapped it out.
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
>
> A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
> giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.
>
> You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
want
> to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
4:1
> instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
>
> Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
> to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
lock
> and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
> 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
>
> With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
> 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
>
>
>
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
> >
>
> You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
> Twin Stick.
>
>
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
The
> cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
but
> the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
> thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
> case with gears, so you decide.
>
>
>
>
10-30-2003, 12:49 PM
#22
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Re: Transfer case options
If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
unless he's swapped it out.
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
>
> A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
> giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.
>
> You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
want
> to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
4:1
> instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
>
> Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
> to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
lock
> and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
> 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
>
> With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
> 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
>
>
>
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
> >
>
> You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
> Twin Stick.
>
>
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
The
> cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
but
> the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
> thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
> case with gears, so you decide.
>
>
>
>
unless he's swapped it out.
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
>
> A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
> giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.
>
> You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
want
> to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
4:1
> instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
>
> Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
> to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
lock
> and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
> 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
>
> With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
> 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
>
>
>
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
> >
>
> You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
> Twin Stick.
>
>
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
The
> cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
but
> the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
> thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
> case with gears, so you decide.
>
>
>
>
10-30-2003, 01:19 PM
#23
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Re: Transfer case options
I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
> unless he's swapped it out.
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > understand in what I've read:
> > >
> > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > >
> >
> > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
tcase,
> > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
itself.
> >
> > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> want
> > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
> 4:1
> > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> >
> > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
set
> > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> lock
> > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
get
> > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> >
> > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
4HI,
> > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > > with these unusual configurations?
> > >
> >
> > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
the
> > Twin Stick.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> >
> > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
> The
> > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
> but
> > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
only
> > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
aluminum
> > case with gears, so you decide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
> unless he's swapped it out.
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > understand in what I've read:
> > >
> > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > >
> >
> > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
tcase,
> > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
itself.
> >
> > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> want
> > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
> 4:1
> > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> >
> > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
set
> > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> lock
> > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
get
> > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> >
> > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
4HI,
> > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > > with these unusual configurations?
> > >
> >
> > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
the
> > Twin Stick.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> >
> > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
> The
> > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
> but
> > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
only
> > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
aluminum
> > case with gears, so you decide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
10-30-2003, 01:19 PM
#24
Guest
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Re: Transfer case options
I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
> unless he's swapped it out.
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > understand in what I've read:
> > >
> > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > >
> >
> > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
tcase,
> > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
itself.
> >
> > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> want
> > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
> 4:1
> > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> >
> > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
set
> > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> lock
> > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
get
> > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> >
> > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
4HI,
> > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > > with these unusual configurations?
> > >
> >
> > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
the
> > Twin Stick.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> >
> > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
> The
> > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
> but
> > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
only
> > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
aluminum
> > case with gears, so you decide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
> unless he's swapped it out.
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > understand in what I've read:
> > >
> > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > >
> >
> > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
tcase,
> > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
itself.
> >
> > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> want
> > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
> 4:1
> > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> >
> > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
set
> > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> lock
> > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
get
> > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> >
> > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
4HI,
> > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > > with these unusual configurations?
> > >
> >
> > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
the
> > Twin Stick.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> >
> > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
> The
> > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
> but
> > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
only
> > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
aluminum
> > case with gears, so you decide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
10-30-2003, 01:19 PM
#25
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Re: Transfer case options
I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
> unless he's swapped it out.
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > understand in what I've read:
> > >
> > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > >
> >
> > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
tcase,
> > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
itself.
> >
> > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> want
> > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
> 4:1
> > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> >
> > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
set
> > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> lock
> > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
get
> > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> >
> > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
4HI,
> > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > > with these unusual configurations?
> > >
> >
> > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
the
> > Twin Stick.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> >
> > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
> The
> > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
> but
> > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
only
> > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
aluminum
> > case with gears, so you decide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
> unless he's swapped it out.
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > understand in what I've read:
> > >
> > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > >
> >
> > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
tcase,
> > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
itself.
> >
> > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> want
> > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
> 4:1
> > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> >
> > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
set
> > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> lock
> > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
get
> > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> >
> > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
4HI,
> > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > > with these unusual configurations?
> > >
> >
> > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
the
> > Twin Stick.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> >
> > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
> The
> > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
> but
> > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
only
> > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
aluminum
> > case with gears, so you decide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
10-30-2003, 01:27 PM
#26
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Re: Transfer case options
Probably just wants to put a plaque on the dash like a Real Jeep's:
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low.
>
> I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac
> precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch.
> Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is
> a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low.
>
> I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac
> precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch.
> Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is
> a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
10-30-2003, 01:27 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transfer case options
Probably just wants to put a plaque on the dash like a Real Jeep's:
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low.
>
> I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac
> precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch.
> Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is
> a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low.
>
> I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac
> precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch.
> Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is
> a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
10-30-2003, 01:27 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transfer case options
Probably just wants to put a plaque on the dash like a Real Jeep's:
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low.
>
> I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac
> precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch.
> Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is
> a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low.
>
> I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac
> precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch.
> Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is
> a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
10-30-2003, 02:44 PM
#29
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Re: Transfer case options
That's OK... Try to keep up... ;-)
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2lka7pdaqoc8@corp.supernews.com...
> I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
>
>
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a
d300,
> > unless he's swapped it out.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> > --
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 90 SJ GW
> > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > enough..."
> > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've
been
> > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as
mine
> > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > > understand in what I've read:
> > > >
> > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special?
Aren't
> > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the
regular
> > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > > >
> > >
> > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
> tcase,
> > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
> itself.
> > >
> > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> > want
> > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range
of
> > 4:1
> > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> > >
> > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in
to
> > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
> set
> > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD
by
> > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> > lock
> > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
> get
> > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> > >
> > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
> 4HI,
> > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to
driving
> > > > with these unusual configurations?
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
> the
> > > Twin Stick.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> > >
> > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear
driven
> > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of
aluminum.
> > The
> > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can
break,
> > but
> > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
> only
> > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
> aluminum
> > > case with gears, so you decide.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2lka7pdaqoc8@corp.supernews.com...
> I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
>
>
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a
d300,
> > unless he's swapped it out.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> > --
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 90 SJ GW
> > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > enough..."
> > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've
been
> > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as
mine
> > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > > understand in what I've read:
> > > >
> > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special?
Aren't
> > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the
regular
> > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > > >
> > >
> > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
> tcase,
> > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
> itself.
> > >
> > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> > want
> > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range
of
> > 4:1
> > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> > >
> > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in
to
> > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
> set
> > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD
by
> > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> > lock
> > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
> get
> > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> > >
> > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
> 4HI,
> > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to
driving
> > > > with these unusual configurations?
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
> the
> > > Twin Stick.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> > >
> > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear
driven
> > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of
aluminum.
> > The
> > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can
break,
> > but
> > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
> only
> > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
> aluminum
> > > case with gears, so you decide.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
10-30-2003, 02:44 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transfer case options
That's OK... Try to keep up... ;-)
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2lka7pdaqoc8@corp.supernews.com...
> I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
>
>
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a
d300,
> > unless he's swapped it out.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> > --
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 90 SJ GW
> > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > enough..."
> > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've
been
> > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as
mine
> > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > > understand in what I've read:
> > > >
> > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special?
Aren't
> > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the
regular
> > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > > >
> > >
> > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
> tcase,
> > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
> itself.
> > >
> > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> > want
> > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range
of
> > 4:1
> > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> > >
> > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in
to
> > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
> set
> > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD
by
> > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> > lock
> > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
> get
> > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> > >
> > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
> 4HI,
> > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to
driving
> > > > with these unusual configurations?
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
> the
> > > Twin Stick.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> > >
> > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear
driven
> > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of
aluminum.
> > The
> > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can
break,
> > but
> > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
> only
> > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
> aluminum
> > > case with gears, so you decide.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2lka7pdaqoc8@corp.supernews.com...
> I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
>
>
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a
d300,
> > unless he's swapped it out.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> > --
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 90 SJ GW
> > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > enough..."
> > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've
been
> > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as
mine
> > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > > > understand in what I've read:
> > > >
> > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special?
Aren't
> > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the
regular
> > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> > > >
> > >
> > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the
> tcase,
> > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans
> itself.
> > >
> > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
> > want
> > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range
of
> > 4:1
> > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
> > >
> > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in
to
> > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase
> set
> > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD
by
> > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
> > lock
> > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you
> get
> > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
> > >
> > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI,
> 4HI,
> > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to
driving
> > > > with these unusual configurations?
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is
> the
> > > Twin Stick.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
> > >
> > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear
driven
> > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of
aluminum.
> > The
> > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can
break,
> > but
> > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The
> only
> > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an
> aluminum
> > > case with gears, so you decide.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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