CRWLR

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> understand in what I've read:
>
> 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
>

A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.

You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might want
to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of 4:1
instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.

Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to lock
and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.

With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.




> 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> with these unusual configurations?
>

You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
Twin Stick.


>
> P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)

Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. The
cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, but
the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
case with gears, so you decide.

CRWLR

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> understand in what I've read:
>
> 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
>

A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.

You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might want
to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of 4:1
instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.

Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to lock
and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.

With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.




> 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> with these unusual configurations?
>

You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
Twin Stick.


>
> P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)

Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. The
cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, but
the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
case with gears, so you decide.

CRWLR

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> understand in what I've read:
>
> 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
>

A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.

You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might want
to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of 4:1
instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.

Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to lock
and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.

With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.




> 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> with these unusual configurations?
>

You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
Twin Stick.


>
> P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)

Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. The
cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, but
the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
case with gears, so you decide.

CRWLR

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
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> In article <b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
> That would be a Twin Stick TRANSFER CASE, not transmission. Most
> transfer cases hava a single stick that controls two rods in the TC. A
> twin stick refit allows for the individual rod controls...
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
>
> ...which allow for someone to put their ride in front wheel drive to
> drag the back end around an obstcle with a hand brake on -or- front
> wheel drive when the rear diff has exploded, to limp home. Or two wheel
> low to the rear only.
>

Limping home is not going to happen with the twin stick because the front
wheel drive option is LO Range only.

One can limp home on front wheel drive, but the twin stick is not needed to
do that. All one needs to do is pull the rear drive shaft, lock the front
hubs, and shift into 4HI. This is a particularly engaging drive home though,
especially if one has a front locker. ;-)



> >
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> My D300 twin stick retrofit and tera low install is somewhere on this
> link behind a green jeep:
> http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/main.html
>
> note the Dana 18 refrence, that TC had the twin stick OEM
>
>
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CRWLR

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-B88269.11022830102003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
> That would be a Twin Stick TRANSFER CASE, not transmission. Most
> transfer cases hava a single stick that controls two rods in the TC. A
> twin stick refit allows for the individual rod controls...
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
>
> ...which allow for someone to put their ride in front wheel drive to
> drag the back end around an obstcle with a hand brake on -or- front
> wheel drive when the rear diff has exploded, to limp home. Or two wheel
> low to the rear only.
>

Limping home is not going to happen with the twin stick because the front
wheel drive option is LO Range only.

One can limp home on front wheel drive, but the twin stick is not needed to
do that. All one needs to do is pull the rear drive shaft, lock the front
hubs, and shift into 4HI. This is a particularly engaging drive home though,
especially if one has a front locker. ;-)



> >
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> My D300 twin stick retrofit and tera low install is somewhere on this
> link behind a green jeep:
> http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/main.html
>
> note the Dana 18 refrence, that TC had the twin stick OEM
>
>
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CRWLR

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-B88269.11022830102003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
> That would be a Twin Stick TRANSFER CASE, not transmission. Most
> transfer cases hava a single stick that controls two rods in the TC. A
> twin stick refit allows for the individual rod controls...
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
>
> ...which allow for someone to put their ride in front wheel drive to
> drag the back end around an obstcle with a hand brake on -or- front
> wheel drive when the rear diff has exploded, to limp home. Or two wheel
> low to the rear only.
>

Limping home is not going to happen with the twin stick because the front
wheel drive option is LO Range only.

One can limp home on front wheel drive, but the twin stick is not needed to
do that. All one needs to do is pull the rear drive shaft, lock the front
hubs, and shift into 4HI. This is a particularly engaging drive home though,
especially if one has a front locker. ;-)



> >
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> My D300 twin stick retrofit and tera low install is somewhere on this
> link behind a green jeep:
> http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/main.html
>
> note the Dana 18 refrence, that TC had the twin stick OEM
>
>
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Jeepers

In article <vq2iabg88bj007@corp.supernews.com>,
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Limping home is not going to happen with the twin stick because the front
> wheel drive option is LO Range only.

Low range front wheel drive IS definetely "limping".


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Jeepers

In article <vq2iabg88bj007@corp.supernews.com>,
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Limping home is not going to happen with the twin stick because the front
> wheel drive option is LO Range only.

Low range front wheel drive IS definetely "limping".


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Jeepers

In article <vq2iabg88bj007@corp.supernews.com>,
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Limping home is not going to happen with the twin stick because the front
> wheel drive option is LO Range only.

Low range front wheel drive IS definetely "limping".


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TJim

If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
unless he's swapped it out.

--
Jim
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enough..."
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"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om...
> > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been
> > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine
> > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as
> > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't
> > understand in what I've read:
> >
> > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't
> > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular
> > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive?
> >
>
> A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase,
> giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself.
>
> You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might
want
> to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of
4:1
> instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1.
>
> Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to
> select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set
> to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by
> simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to
lock
> and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get
> 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases.
>
> With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI,
> 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD.
>
>
>
>
> > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird
> > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only!
> > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving
> > with these unusual configurations?
> >
>
> You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the
> Twin Stick.
>
>
> >
> > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is
> > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-)
>
> Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven
> instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum.
The
> cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break,
but
> the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only
> thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum
> case with gears, so you decide.
>
>
>
>