Re: Trailer wiring question
 

without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say. make a
custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
wire and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
have 2 light bulbs. one for blinker and one for brake. find that wire, from
each side or one and use it. and a ground.


Garth Almgren wrote:
>So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>
>My goals are as follows:
>1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>
>The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>
>My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>interfering with each other.
>
>I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>

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Re: Trailer wiring question
 

'My' Jeep, which is like his 'Wrangler' only has 'one' bulb and 'one'
filament for brakes and signals which requires a logic circuit to
separate/consolidate the signals.

You seem to be 'full' of good advice (not).

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:
> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say. make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs. one for blinker and one for brake. find that wire, from
> each side or one and use it. and a ground.
>
>
> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

'My' Jeep, which is like his 'Wrangler' only has 'one' bulb and 'one'
filament for brakes and signals which requires a logic circuit to
separate/consolidate the signals.

You seem to be 'full' of good advice (not).

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:
> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say. make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs. one for blinker and one for brake. find that wire, from
> each side or one and use it. and a ground.
>
>
> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

'My' Jeep, which is like his 'Wrangler' only has 'one' bulb and 'one'
filament for brakes and signals which requires a logic circuit to
separate/consolidate the signals.

You seem to be 'full' of good advice (not).

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:
> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say. make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs. one for blinker and one for brake. find that wire, from
> each side or one and use it. and a ground.
>
>
> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

'My' Jeep, which is like his 'Wrangler' only has 'one' bulb and 'one'
filament for brakes and signals which requires a logic circuit to
separate/consolidate the signals.

You seem to be 'full' of good advice (not).

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:
> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say. make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs. one for blinker and one for brake. find that wire, from
> each side or one and use it. and a ground.
>
>
> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

Around 7/19/2007 10:57 PM, RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:

> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say.

"Problem is, it only taps the green lead," My apologies if that wasn't
clear, but I thought it was.

> make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire

There is no brake light wire.

> and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs.

Have you ever seen a Wrangler or CJ before? There's only one bulb on
each side for the stop, turn, and running light functions.


> one for blinker and one for brake.

Nope, there's one wire for the brake/turn signal, and one wire for the
running lights.


> find that wire, from each side or one and use it.

Doesn't exist. Hence my need for some kind of logic circuit, and my
amateur attempt to design one myself.

> and a ground.

You think? :)

Anyway, I went and ordered the JC Whitney logic circuit, which should do
the trick.



> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>


--
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{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

Around 7/19/2007 10:57 PM, RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:

> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say.

"Problem is, it only taps the green lead," My apologies if that wasn't
clear, but I thought it was.

> make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire

There is no brake light wire.

> and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs.

Have you ever seen a Wrangler or CJ before? There's only one bulb on
each side for the stop, turn, and running light functions.


> one for blinker and one for brake.

Nope, there's one wire for the brake/turn signal, and one wire for the
running lights.


> find that wire, from each side or one and use it.

Doesn't exist. Hence my need for some kind of logic circuit, and my
amateur attempt to design one myself.

> and a ground.

You think? :)

Anyway, I went and ordered the JC Whitney logic circuit, which should do
the trick.



> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

Around 7/19/2007 10:57 PM, RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:

> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say.

"Problem is, it only taps the green lead," My apologies if that wasn't
clear, but I thought it was.

> make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire

There is no brake light wire.

> and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs.

Have you ever seen a Wrangler or CJ before? There's only one bulb on
each side for the stop, turn, and running light functions.


> one for blinker and one for brake.

Nope, there's one wire for the brake/turn signal, and one wire for the
running lights.


> find that wire, from each side or one and use it.

Doesn't exist. Hence my need for some kind of logic circuit, and my
amateur attempt to design one myself.

> and a ground.

You think? :)

Anyway, I went and ordered the JC Whitney logic circuit, which should do
the trick.



> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

Around 7/19/2007 10:57 PM, RSMuddog via CarKB.com wrote:

> without knowing how many wires are on the device, its hard to say.

"Problem is, it only taps the green lead," My apologies if that wasn't
clear, but I thought it was.

> make a
> custom plug, take your trailer wire on your vehicle, isolate the brake light
> wire

There is no brake light wire.

> and run that and a ground to the device you are using. the tailights
> have 2 light bulbs.

Have you ever seen a Wrangler or CJ before? There's only one bulb on
each side for the stop, turn, and running light functions.


> one for blinker and one for brake.

Nope, there's one wire for the brake/turn signal, and one wire for the
running lights.


> find that wire, from each side or one and use it.

Doesn't exist. Hence my need for some kind of logic circuit, and my
amateur attempt to design one myself.

> and a ground.

You think? :)

Anyway, I went and ordered the JC Whitney logic circuit, which should do
the trick.



> Garth Almgren wrote:
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: Trailer wiring question
 

Around 7/16/2007 10:32 PM, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Don't you have a wire leading to that Mexican third light, that everyone
> takes off and throws away? http://www.4x4xplor.com/images/LoD/LoD-12.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Nope, my Wrangler is a '93, and like all light trucks in the US, the
CHMSL wasn't implemented in Wranglers until '94.




> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@mukyj.com> wrote in message
> news:5g2qu4F3e9u76U1@mid.individual.net...
>> So, I just picked up a cheap hitch cover with LED brake light built in
>> that plugs into the trailer wiring connector. Problem is, it only taps
>> the green lead, so the light behaves exactly like the right brake/turn
>> light and blinks when I'm signaling right.
>>
>> My goals are as follows:
>> 1) Have the hitch light be on when the brakes are on.
>> 2) Have the hitch light NOT blink when either turn signal is on.
>> 3) Not damage my Jeep's electrical system in any way.
>>
>> The question is this: Can I use an isolating diode (like the Roadmaster
>> Hy-Power) to connect both the left (yellow) and right (green) feeds
>> together and use that as an input for the LED array?
>>
>> My thinking is that when the brakes are on, I've got #1 covered, since
>> both inputs to the diode are giving a solid 12v. When one turn signal or
>> the other is on, the light will still be getting a solid 12v from
>> whichever light isn't blinking, taking care of #2. I'm still good on #3
>> as well, since the diode would protect the left and right circuits from
>> interfering with each other.
>>
>> I think I've got this right and was just going to start experimenting,
>> but first I wanted someone with more electronics experience to check my
>> thinking so I wouldn't accidentally miss goal #3. :)
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
>> { }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"
>
>
>


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{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"