L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi John,
Thanks for the link.
To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:

Seats - Cloth Low-Back Bucket
Luxury Group
Trailer Tow Group IV
Monotone Paint
4.7L Eng (EVA)/5Spd A/T 5-45Rfe(DGQ)
Alternator - 136 Amp
Battery - 625 Amp Maintenance Free
Brakes - Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc
Seats - Low Back Bucket
Door Trim Panel - Highline
Seat - Rear 60/40 Folding
Air Bags - Side, Supplemental
Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready
Air Bags-Front,Next Gen,Multistage**
Air Bag-Side Window Curtain,Frt & Rr
Carpet - Floor
Carpet - Cargo Compartment
Cargo Tie Down Loops
Floor Mats - Front & Rear
Cargo Trim Panel w/Storage Net
Scuff Pads - Door Sill
Cover - Cargo Compartment
Assist Handles - Passenger
Console - Mini Overhead
Console - Full Length Floor
Transmission - All 5-Speed Automatic
Transmission-5-Spd Automatic 5-45RFE
Torque Converter - Lock-Up
Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System
Axle - Front, Dana 30/186MM
Axle Ratio - 3.73
Axle - Rear, Dana 44/226MM
Engine- 4.7L V8 MPI
Windshield Glass - Tinted
Glass - Front Door Tinted
Glass - Deep Tint Sunscreen
Glass - Flipper Liftgate
Defroster - Rear Window
Sun Visors - Illum Vanity Mirrors
Mirror - Rear View, Auto Dim
Mirrors - Power, Fold-Away
Keyless Entry - Remote
Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
Air Conditioning
Insulation - Hood
Insulation Group - Deluxe
Route 24 - UP, Rolla, CO
Instrument Cluster w/Tach
Speedometer - 120 MPH Primary
Windshield Wipers - Var Intermittent
Wiper/Washer - Rear Window
Horns - Electric, Dual Note
Glove Box - Locking
Power Outlet - Auxiliary 12V
Power Accessory Delay
Locks - Power
Windows - Power, Driver One-Touch
Seats -Power Front, Driver/Passenger
STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
Illuminated Entry
Warning Chime
Vehicle Information Center
Lamps - Courtesy
Lamp - Glove Box
Lamp - Ash Tray
Lamps - Rear Courtesy/Reading
Lamp - Cargo Compartment
Traveler/Mini Trip Computer
Headlamps - Halogen
Headlamps - Automatic
Lamp - Center Hi-Mount Stop
Security Alarm
Bracket - Front License Plate
Grille - Bright
Windshield Moldings - Black
Badge - Grand Cherokee, Bright
Badge - Jeep, Bright
Badge - V-8, Liftgate, Bright
Roof Rack
Badge - 4 X 4
Emissions - U.S. 50 State
Emissions - High Altitude Tracking
Low Emission Vehicle (LEV)
Fuel Tank - 20.5 Gallon
Cooler - Power Steering
Speed Control
Engine Cooling - Hydraulic
Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
All Radio Equipped Vehicles
Radio-AM/FM Cass/CD/Equal/Chgr Ctrl
Speaker System - Infinity
Antenna - Fixed
Audio Ctrls-Steering Wheel Mounted
Steering - Power Rack and Pinion
Steering Wheel - Leather Wrapped
Suspension - Normal Duty
Steering Column - Tilt
Spare Tire - Inside Mount
Spare Tire- Full Size, Matching Whl
Tires - P245/70R16 OWL All Terrain
Goodyear Brand Tires
Wheels - 16 x 7.0 Lux Alum, Silver
Wheels - All Aluminum
Pedals - Power Adjustable
Hitch - Class IV Receiver
Wiring Harness - 7 Pin
Adaptor - 7 to 4 Pin, Wiring
Garage Door Opener - Universal
Protective Coating and Remover
Build To U S Market Specifications
Manuf Statement of Origin
7 Additional Gallons Of Gas
Spring - Left Front
Spring - Left Rear
Spring - Right Front
Spring - Right Rear
GVW/Payload Rating
Four Wheel Drive (4WD)/(4X4)
Left Hand Drive (LHD)


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John Sevey wrote:
>
> Hmmm, a "Hoppy" part number. Here's what it looks like -- just in case you're
> interested in why it costs so much:
>
> http://www.trailerwiring.com/cgi-bin...cgi?part=42475
>
> You can also get a PDF of the installation instructions from the link, above.
>
> My guess is that some genius at Daimler put either the brake lights or the
> running lights in the same circuit with something "critical" -- hence step 13
> of the above mentioned instructions:
>
> "Route the red, 12 gauge battery feed wire to the battery (Fig. 2 / G). Be
> sure to avoid the muffler, gas tank, tail pipe and drive train. Insert the
> power feed wire into the fuse assembly provided and crimp connection. Attach
> the fuse assembly ring terminal to the positive (+) battery terminal."
>
> It could also be that either the flasher or one of the lighting circuits was
> deemed to be "too small" for the additional electrical load of trailer lights.
> That would require some sort of isolator with the addition of a new 12V feed,
> directly from the battery.
>
> Of course I find all of this odd since Daimler touts the 5000lb towing capacity
> of the Liberty as one of its features. Either that or they simply want to
> sell you their $365 towing group when you purchase the vehicle...
>
> :)
>
> -John

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi John,
Thanks for the link.
To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:

Seats - Cloth Low-Back Bucket
Luxury Group
Trailer Tow Group IV
Monotone Paint
4.7L Eng (EVA)/5Spd A/T 5-45Rfe(DGQ)
Alternator - 136 Amp
Battery - 625 Amp Maintenance Free
Brakes - Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc
Seats - Low Back Bucket
Door Trim Panel - Highline
Seat - Rear 60/40 Folding
Air Bags - Side, Supplemental
Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready
Air Bags-Front,Next Gen,Multistage**
Air Bag-Side Window Curtain,Frt & Rr
Carpet - Floor
Carpet - Cargo Compartment
Cargo Tie Down Loops
Floor Mats - Front & Rear
Cargo Trim Panel w/Storage Net
Scuff Pads - Door Sill
Cover - Cargo Compartment
Assist Handles - Passenger
Console - Mini Overhead
Console - Full Length Floor
Transmission - All 5-Speed Automatic
Transmission-5-Spd Automatic 5-45RFE
Torque Converter - Lock-Up
Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System
Axle - Front, Dana 30/186MM
Axle Ratio - 3.73
Axle - Rear, Dana 44/226MM
Engine- 4.7L V8 MPI
Windshield Glass - Tinted
Glass - Front Door Tinted
Glass - Deep Tint Sunscreen
Glass - Flipper Liftgate
Defroster - Rear Window
Sun Visors - Illum Vanity Mirrors
Mirror - Rear View, Auto Dim
Mirrors - Power, Fold-Away
Keyless Entry - Remote
Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
Air Conditioning
Insulation - Hood
Insulation Group - Deluxe
Route 24 - UP, Rolla, CO
Instrument Cluster w/Tach
Speedometer - 120 MPH Primary
Windshield Wipers - Var Intermittent
Wiper/Washer - Rear Window
Horns - Electric, Dual Note
Glove Box - Locking
Power Outlet - Auxiliary 12V
Power Accessory Delay
Locks - Power
Windows - Power, Driver One-Touch
Seats -Power Front, Driver/Passenger
STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
Illuminated Entry
Warning Chime
Vehicle Information Center
Lamps - Courtesy
Lamp - Glove Box
Lamp - Ash Tray
Lamps - Rear Courtesy/Reading
Lamp - Cargo Compartment
Traveler/Mini Trip Computer
Headlamps - Halogen
Headlamps - Automatic
Lamp - Center Hi-Mount Stop
Security Alarm
Bracket - Front License Plate
Grille - Bright
Windshield Moldings - Black
Badge - Grand Cherokee, Bright
Badge - Jeep, Bright
Badge - V-8, Liftgate, Bright
Roof Rack
Badge - 4 X 4
Emissions - U.S. 50 State
Emissions - High Altitude Tracking
Low Emission Vehicle (LEV)
Fuel Tank - 20.5 Gallon
Cooler - Power Steering
Speed Control
Engine Cooling - Hydraulic
Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
All Radio Equipped Vehicles
Radio-AM/FM Cass/CD/Equal/Chgr Ctrl
Speaker System - Infinity
Antenna - Fixed
Audio Ctrls-Steering Wheel Mounted
Steering - Power Rack and Pinion
Steering Wheel - Leather Wrapped
Suspension - Normal Duty
Steering Column - Tilt
Spare Tire - Inside Mount
Spare Tire- Full Size, Matching Whl
Tires - P245/70R16 OWL All Terrain
Goodyear Brand Tires
Wheels - 16 x 7.0 Lux Alum, Silver
Wheels - All Aluminum
Pedals - Power Adjustable
Hitch - Class IV Receiver
Wiring Harness - 7 Pin
Adaptor - 7 to 4 Pin, Wiring
Garage Door Opener - Universal
Protective Coating and Remover
Build To U S Market Specifications
Manuf Statement of Origin
7 Additional Gallons Of Gas
Spring - Left Front
Spring - Left Rear
Spring - Right Front
Spring - Right Rear
GVW/Payload Rating
Four Wheel Drive (4WD)/(4X4)
Left Hand Drive (LHD)


--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Sevey wrote:
>
> Hmmm, a "Hoppy" part number. Here's what it looks like -- just in case you're
> interested in why it costs so much:
>
> http://www.trailerwiring.com/cgi-bin...cgi?part=42475
>
> You can also get a PDF of the installation instructions from the link, above.
>
> My guess is that some genius at Daimler put either the brake lights or the
> running lights in the same circuit with something "critical" -- hence step 13
> of the above mentioned instructions:
>
> "Route the red, 12 gauge battery feed wire to the battery (Fig. 2 / G). Be
> sure to avoid the muffler, gas tank, tail pipe and drive train. Insert the
> power feed wire into the fuse assembly provided and crimp connection. Attach
> the fuse assembly ring terminal to the positive (+) battery terminal."
>
> It could also be that either the flasher or one of the lighting circuits was
> deemed to be "too small" for the additional electrical load of trailer lights.
> That would require some sort of isolator with the addition of a new 12V feed,
> directly from the battery.
>
> Of course I find all of this odd since Daimler touts the 5000lb towing capacity
> of the Liberty as one of its features. Either that or they simply want to
> sell you their $365 towing group when you purchase the vehicle...
>
> :)
>
> -John

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi John,
Thanks for the link.
To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:

Seats - Cloth Low-Back Bucket
Luxury Group
Trailer Tow Group IV
Monotone Paint
4.7L Eng (EVA)/5Spd A/T 5-45Rfe(DGQ)
Alternator - 136 Amp
Battery - 625 Amp Maintenance Free
Brakes - Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc
Seats - Low Back Bucket
Door Trim Panel - Highline
Seat - Rear 60/40 Folding
Air Bags - Side, Supplemental
Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready
Air Bags-Front,Next Gen,Multistage**
Air Bag-Side Window Curtain,Frt & Rr
Carpet - Floor
Carpet - Cargo Compartment
Cargo Tie Down Loops
Floor Mats - Front & Rear
Cargo Trim Panel w/Storage Net
Scuff Pads - Door Sill
Cover - Cargo Compartment
Assist Handles - Passenger
Console - Mini Overhead
Console - Full Length Floor
Transmission - All 5-Speed Automatic
Transmission-5-Spd Automatic 5-45RFE
Torque Converter - Lock-Up
Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System
Axle - Front, Dana 30/186MM
Axle Ratio - 3.73
Axle - Rear, Dana 44/226MM
Engine- 4.7L V8 MPI
Windshield Glass - Tinted
Glass - Front Door Tinted
Glass - Deep Tint Sunscreen
Glass - Flipper Liftgate
Defroster - Rear Window
Sun Visors - Illum Vanity Mirrors
Mirror - Rear View, Auto Dim
Mirrors - Power, Fold-Away
Keyless Entry - Remote
Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
Air Conditioning
Insulation - Hood
Insulation Group - Deluxe
Route 24 - UP, Rolla, CO
Instrument Cluster w/Tach
Speedometer - 120 MPH Primary
Windshield Wipers - Var Intermittent
Wiper/Washer - Rear Window
Horns - Electric, Dual Note
Glove Box - Locking
Power Outlet - Auxiliary 12V
Power Accessory Delay
Locks - Power
Windows - Power, Driver One-Touch
Seats -Power Front, Driver/Passenger
STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
Illuminated Entry
Warning Chime
Vehicle Information Center
Lamps - Courtesy
Lamp - Glove Box
Lamp - Ash Tray
Lamps - Rear Courtesy/Reading
Lamp - Cargo Compartment
Traveler/Mini Trip Computer
Headlamps - Halogen
Headlamps - Automatic
Lamp - Center Hi-Mount Stop
Security Alarm
Bracket - Front License Plate
Grille - Bright
Windshield Moldings - Black
Badge - Grand Cherokee, Bright
Badge - Jeep, Bright
Badge - V-8, Liftgate, Bright
Roof Rack
Badge - 4 X 4
Emissions - U.S. 50 State
Emissions - High Altitude Tracking
Low Emission Vehicle (LEV)
Fuel Tank - 20.5 Gallon
Cooler - Power Steering
Speed Control
Engine Cooling - Hydraulic
Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
All Radio Equipped Vehicles
Radio-AM/FM Cass/CD/Equal/Chgr Ctrl
Speaker System - Infinity
Antenna - Fixed
Audio Ctrls-Steering Wheel Mounted
Steering - Power Rack and Pinion
Steering Wheel - Leather Wrapped
Suspension - Normal Duty
Steering Column - Tilt
Spare Tire - Inside Mount
Spare Tire- Full Size, Matching Whl
Tires - P245/70R16 OWL All Terrain
Goodyear Brand Tires
Wheels - 16 x 7.0 Lux Alum, Silver
Wheels - All Aluminum
Pedals - Power Adjustable
Hitch - Class IV Receiver
Wiring Harness - 7 Pin
Adaptor - 7 to 4 Pin, Wiring
Garage Door Opener - Universal
Protective Coating and Remover
Build To U S Market Specifications
Manuf Statement of Origin
7 Additional Gallons Of Gas
Spring - Left Front
Spring - Left Rear
Spring - Right Front
Spring - Right Rear
GVW/Payload Rating
Four Wheel Drive (4WD)/(4X4)
Left Hand Drive (LHD)


--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Sevey wrote:
>
> Hmmm, a "Hoppy" part number. Here's what it looks like -- just in case you're
> interested in why it costs so much:
>
> http://www.trailerwiring.com/cgi-bin...cgi?part=42475
>
> You can also get a PDF of the installation instructions from the link, above.
>
> My guess is that some genius at Daimler put either the brake lights or the
> running lights in the same circuit with something "critical" -- hence step 13
> of the above mentioned instructions:
>
> "Route the red, 12 gauge battery feed wire to the battery (Fig. 2 / G). Be
> sure to avoid the muffler, gas tank, tail pipe and drive train. Insert the
> power feed wire into the fuse assembly provided and crimp connection. Attach
> the fuse assembly ring terminal to the positive (+) battery terminal."
>
> It could also be that either the flasher or one of the lighting circuits was
> deemed to be "too small" for the additional electrical load of trailer lights.
> That would require some sort of isolator with the addition of a new 12V feed,
> directly from the battery.
>
> Of course I find all of this odd since Daimler touts the 5000lb towing capacity
> of the Liberty as one of its features. Either that or they simply want to
> sell you their $365 towing group when you purchase the vehicle...
>
> :)
>
> -John

John Sevey

L.W.(?ill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link.

No prob.

> To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
> a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
> Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
> and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:
<snip>

YOU, being fair to the Liberty? Will wonders never cease. :)

Actually Bill, I was mostly speculating about the "intelligence" of Daimler's
engineers and the necessity of an isolator for trailer wiring in a supposed
"tow vehicle".

It reminds me of my brother's 1990 Cougar which had either the running or the
turn signal lights fused on the same circuit as the fuel injection computer.
(Those of us who've blown fuses due to "issues" with trailer lighting while
driving know how something like that could ruin your day.) Fortunately, Ford
was smart enought to put a warning in the owner's manual about the need for
an isolator...

-John

John Sevey

L.W.(?ill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link.

No prob.

> To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
> a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
> Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
> and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:
<snip>

YOU, being fair to the Liberty? Will wonders never cease. :)

Actually Bill, I was mostly speculating about the "intelligence" of Daimler's
engineers and the necessity of an isolator for trailer wiring in a supposed
"tow vehicle".

It reminds me of my brother's 1990 Cougar which had either the running or the
turn signal lights fused on the same circuit as the fuel injection computer.
(Those of us who've blown fuses due to "issues" with trailer lighting while
driving know how something like that could ruin your day.) Fortunately, Ford
was smart enought to put a warning in the owner's manual about the need for
an isolator...

-John

John Sevey

L.W.(?ill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link.

No prob.

> To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
> a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
> Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
> and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:
<snip>

YOU, being fair to the Liberty? Will wonders never cease. :)

Actually Bill, I was mostly speculating about the "intelligence" of Daimler's
engineers and the necessity of an isolator for trailer wiring in a supposed
"tow vehicle".

It reminds me of my brother's 1990 Cougar which had either the running or the
turn signal lights fused on the same circuit as the fuel injection computer.
(Those of us who've blown fuses due to "issues" with trailer lighting while
driving know how something like that could ruin your day.) Fortunately, Ford
was smart enought to put a warning in the owner's manual about the need for
an isolator...

-John

John Sevey

L.W.(?ill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link.

No prob.

> To be fair, there's a lot more to a tow package, you may recognize
> a few in this build ticket, like: 136 Amp, 625 Amp, Dana 44, Tach, P/S
> Cooler, 20.5 Gallon, Hitch, Wiring Harness,
> and of course GVW/Payload Rating Springs:
<snip>

YOU, being fair to the Liberty? Will wonders never cease. :)

Actually Bill, I was mostly speculating about the "intelligence" of Daimler's
engineers and the necessity of an isolator for trailer wiring in a supposed
"tow vehicle".

It reminds me of my brother's 1990 Cougar which had either the running or the
turn signal lights fused on the same circuit as the fuel injection computer.
(Those of us who've blown fuses due to "issues" with trailer lighting while
driving know how something like that could ruin your day.) Fortunately, Ford
was smart enought to put a warning in the owner's manual about the need for
an isolator...

-John

mic canic

careful is you are trying to find factory wiring kit. if you don't have the
overhead console then there is some is wires missing in the connectors in
bac behind the right interior panel and requiresa added wiring package

Barry Bean wrote:

> I've instaled a hitch on my 2003 Liberty and was hoping to find a "plug
> in" wiring kit/harness for trailer lights. However the only ones I've found
> run $60-$100. Is that really the price range?

mic canic

careful is you are trying to find factory wiring kit. if you don't have the
overhead console then there is some is wires missing in the connectors in
bac behind the right interior panel and requiresa added wiring package

Barry Bean wrote:

> I've instaled a hitch on my 2003 Liberty and was hoping to find a "plug
> in" wiring kit/harness for trailer lights. However the only ones I've found
> run $60-$100. Is that really the price range?

mic canic

careful is you are trying to find factory wiring kit. if you don't have the
overhead console then there is some is wires missing in the connectors in
bac behind the right interior panel and requiresa added wiring package

Barry Bean wrote:

> I've instaled a hitch on my 2003 Liberty and was hoping to find a "plug
> in" wiring kit/harness for trailer lights. However the only ones I've found
> run $60-$100. Is that really the price range?