Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
#21
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
Here in Canada the cops have this nasty tendency to know what the GVWR
is on vehicles. They will even point out the nice little sticker on the
door frame for you as they are writing up tickets and calling the tow
truck.
If your maximum allowed is 5000 lb, believe me they know this....
Been there, had to drop the empty bunk bed trailer and have it towed
away. 'I' don't believe the gutted trailer was over, but the dual axles
on it implied it was capable and designed to be over my Chevy 1/2 ton's
GCWR.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
dmacintire wrote:
>
> Sorry for no question mark, Looking for verification that this should
> work, I'm a little concerned, do to postings I have read. Some people
> say no problem and other say no way. Factory spec say 5000lb but
> referance the gear ratio of 3.73. I have not checked my gear ratio so
> it may be 3.07, I got the 3.55 off the web. I got a warm a fussy from
> all the sales reps I talked to at the RV Show, but that could just be
> talk to get the sale. Last year I even talk to a hitch guy and was
> told it was ok. Who do you trust? I guess some small trips with tell
> me if I need something bigger.
is on vehicles. They will even point out the nice little sticker on the
door frame for you as they are writing up tickets and calling the tow
truck.
If your maximum allowed is 5000 lb, believe me they know this....
Been there, had to drop the empty bunk bed trailer and have it towed
away. 'I' don't believe the gutted trailer was over, but the dual axles
on it implied it was capable and designed to be over my Chevy 1/2 ton's
GCWR.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
dmacintire wrote:
>
> Sorry for no question mark, Looking for verification that this should
> work, I'm a little concerned, do to postings I have read. Some people
> say no problem and other say no way. Factory spec say 5000lb but
> referance the gear ratio of 3.73. I have not checked my gear ratio so
> it may be 3.07, I got the 3.55 off the web. I got a warm a fussy from
> all the sales reps I talked to at the RV Show, but that could just be
> talk to get the sale. Last year I even talk to a hitch guy and was
> told it was ok. Who do you trust? I guess some small trips with tell
> me if I need something bigger.
#22
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for non-tow
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#23
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for non-tow
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#24
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for non-tow
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#25
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for non-tow
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
vehicles as far as I know.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more common.
>
> dmacintire wrote:
>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#26
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
That is to say that as far as I know the 3.55 gears were standard in
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
#27
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
That is to say that as far as I know the 3.55 gears were standard in
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
#28
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
That is to say that as far as I know the 3.55 gears were standard in
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
#29
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
That is to say that as far as I know the 3.55 gears were standard in
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
vehicles not factory equipped with the towing package.
I believe it is recommended to add a transmission cooler when a tow hitch is
added.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:c3071$44199ddf$4831b233$11365@FUSE.NET...
> My '02 WJ also has the 3.55 gears. They are the standard ratio for
> non-tow vehicles as far as I know.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:nbfSf.12546$Uc2.6389@fed1read04...
>> Are you sure about that 3.55 ratio? Have you verified it? The last model
>> year I've seen a 3.55 was 1997. After that, 3.07 and 3.73 is more
>> common.
>>
>> dmacintire wrote:
>>> This GC does not have factory towing, so I have added a weight
>>> distrubution hitch with a sway bar and a HD trans cooler. I have
>>> heard that I should change the axel gear ratio from 3.55 to the
>>> optional 3.73 but have also seen post that just say the trans cooler
>>> and WD hitch. I'm planning on pulling a Jayco Feather 19h 3,400 dry
>>> weight and 4,450 loaded, with a hitch weight of 405.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
#30
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Re: Towing with a 2001 GC 4.0 Inline 6
How about towing a trailer, with another trailer hitched to the back of it?
Some of the things that they get away with in the States, would make your
hair stand on end. If you already have straight hair, it would curl it.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44199795.FBFB7F5B@sympatico.ca...
> Here in Canada the cops have this nasty tendency to know what the GVWR
> is on vehicles. They will even point out the nice little sticker on the
> door frame for you as they are writing up tickets and calling the tow
> truck.
>
> If your maximum allowed is 5000 lb, believe me they know this....
>
> Been there, had to drop the empty bunk bed trailer and have it towed
> away. 'I' don't believe the gutted trailer was over, but the dual axles
> on it implied it was capable and designed to be over my Chevy 1/2 ton's
> GCWR.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> dmacintire wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for no question mark, Looking for verification that this should
> > work, I'm a little concerned, do to postings I have read. Some people
> > say no problem and other say no way. Factory spec say 5000lb but
> > referance the gear ratio of 3.73. I have not checked my gear ratio so
> > it may be 3.07, I got the 3.55 off the web. I got a warm a fussy from
> > all the sales reps I talked to at the RV Show, but that could just be
> > talk to get the sale. Last year I even talk to a hitch guy and was
> > told it was ok. Who do you trust? I guess some small trips with tell
> > me if I need something bigger.
Some of the things that they get away with in the States, would make your
hair stand on end. If you already have straight hair, it would curl it.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44199795.FBFB7F5B@sympatico.ca...
> Here in Canada the cops have this nasty tendency to know what the GVWR
> is on vehicles. They will even point out the nice little sticker on the
> door frame for you as they are writing up tickets and calling the tow
> truck.
>
> If your maximum allowed is 5000 lb, believe me they know this....
>
> Been there, had to drop the empty bunk bed trailer and have it towed
> away. 'I' don't believe the gutted trailer was over, but the dual axles
> on it implied it was capable and designed to be over my Chevy 1/2 ton's
> GCWR.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> dmacintire wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for no question mark, Looking for verification that this should
> > work, I'm a little concerned, do to postings I have read. Some people
> > say no problem and other say no way. Factory spec say 5000lb but
> > referance the gear ratio of 3.73. I have not checked my gear ratio so
> > it may be 3.07, I got the 3.55 off the web. I got a warm a fussy from
> > all the sales reps I talked to at the RV Show, but that could just be
> > talk to get the sale. Last year I even talk to a hitch guy and was
> > told it was ok. Who do you trust? I guess some small trips with tell
> > me if I need something bigger.