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Re: tow vehicle suggestions

make that 5000lbs :-)
"Joe" <me@privacy.net (jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote in message
news:blelll$bdjd0$1@ID-207166.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Josh,
> I think you are confusing "tow" with "pull". Many vehicles can certainly
> PULL well above their rated limits but can't safely TOW that load. I
could
> PULL 500lbs with my CJ but would I want to TOW that load down a steep
hill?
> Or ease that load down a boat ramp? No thanks!
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
> > Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> > are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> > looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> > lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> > in the manual to cover their butts.
> >
> > There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> > you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> > duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> > cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
> > want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
> > divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
> > accordingly.
>
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.

I mean a 3000 lb towing difference just with an automatic? Man that is
one major jump, well over double.

Maybe the auto has different brakes too?

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> I can see some merit in the second and I can certainly agree that
> practicality dictates the first, but I could never figure out and real
> mechanical reason for a hard limit difference even if the real-world
> usefullness of a higher limit with the manual is obvious. The GVWR
> doesn't change with the tranny type, just the towing.
>
> Maybe it's that we are misreading a Manf. recommendation or drive
> train rating for a vehicle limit. Dunno.
>
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:16:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I am guessing the clutch and 1st gear vs a torque converter figure in
> > there.
> >
> > I am also guessing the auto tranny shifts the weight ratio toward the
> > rear wheels more than a standard because of its heavier weight and
> > longer length giving the rear wheels slightly more traction or better
> > said I guess, slightly more resistance to being pushed out sideways.
> >
> > Just guesses....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > While not germaine to the original question, do you have any idea WHY
> > > the tow rating is degraded with the manual tranny? Same engine, same
> > > brakes, same running gear, but 3000# lower towing limit. I could
> > > never figure that one out. The MJ with the heavy duty package was
> > > rated 7000# and the only difference was a D44 rearend and (probably)
> > > larger brakes. As a practical matter, towing with a 5-spd makes for
> > > an interesting clutch manipulation breaking free a heavy load but why
> > > the difference in ratings limit?
> > >
> > > BTW, with a decent hitch and pintle hookup I had no problems pulling
> > > 4-5 ton hay trailers all over the farm last summer but that was
> > > usually 4-LO and maybe 5mph max <g>. Not dumb enough (yet) to try
> > > that on pavement.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:25:57 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > > The Cherokee automatic is rated for 5000 lb towing, the 5 speed is only
> > > > rated for the 2000 lb according to my Cherokee owners manual.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > "E.L. Lambert" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> > > > > driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> > > > > trail.
> > > > >
> > > > > i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> > > > > hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> > > > > not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> > > > > f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> > > > > end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
> > > > >
> > > > > that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> > > > > cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> > > > > figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> > > > > pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> > > > > such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
> > > > >
> > > > > anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: tow vehicle suggestions

Many automatic transmission turous have a two to one slip ratio,
essentially doubling the torque. And now many auto manufactures are
locking them in an effort to squeeze a little more mileage out of them.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.
>
> I mean a 3000 lb towing difference just with an automatic? Man that is
> one major jump, well over double.
>
> Maybe the auto has different brakes too?
>
> Mike

Re: tow vehicle suggestions

Bill, I said before I drive an F-250 Super Duty. I do know why it can tow
more than a cherokee. (And actually, it rides pretty damn good for a 3/4
ton truck. Surprised me anyway). One thing I WAS out of the ballpark on
was it's towing capacity. I mentioned it before as being 20,000# when in
fact that is it's GCWR. Even still, it can haul a load twice it's own
weight. I'm just wondering what the actual determining factors are when
detroit comes up with their tow ratings.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I think if you ever ride in a 3/4 ton truck you'll realize why
> their tow rating is higher, their rear springs are like no spring at
> all: http://www.gonecamping.net/stories/tow_ratings.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "T. Greening" wrote:
> >
> > Boy, I'm probably opening myself up here but....
> >
> > I don't know, would I? I am not at all familiar with cherokees but
this
> > whole towing issue has got me to wondering. Wondering what ARE the
> > determining factors in the towing equation. I see where Joshua states
that
> > DC says an auto cherokee can safely tow 5000#. Where does that number
come

Re: tow vehicle suggestions

I thought the picture was self explanatory. ;-)
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Joe wrote:
>
> Bill, I caught a typo:
> It's long wheel base make it a pleasure to tow a REAL Jeep

Re: tow vehicle suggestions

I would say they look to the engineers for their designed
strengths. As a builder of homes look to the blue prints to see what
lumber is needed to go up a second story. Your tires are probably eight
ply rating running 45-60 pounds, on eight lug rims, with floating
bearings, and of course leaf springs. Now compare that to a bouncing
coil sprung Dana 35c TJ.
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"T. Greening" wrote:
>
> Bill, I said before I drive an F-250 Super Duty. I do know why it can tow
> more than a cherokee. (And actually, it rides pretty damn good for a 3/4
> ton truck. Surprised me anyway). One thing I WAS out of the ballpark on
> was it's towing capacity. I mentioned it before as being 20,000# when in
> fact that is it's GCWR. Even still, it can haul a load twice it's own
> weight. I'm just wondering what the actual determining factors are when
> detroit comes up with their tow ratings.