tow vehicle suggestions
 

i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
trail.

i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.

that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.

anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Approximately 9/27/03 15:25, E.L. Lambert uttered for posterity:

> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Since you are towing a jeep....

Really depends. Bummer but there aren't a lot of good
heavy duty sedans out there any more except the Merc
Marquis, Ford equivalent, Lincoln Town Car if you never
need to take it off the road. If you want a bit more
ground clearance, how about a used Lincoln Navigator,
Dodge Dakota, Ford Expedition, etc. ?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Approximately 9/27/03 15:25, E.L. Lambert uttered for posterity:

> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Since you are towing a jeep....

Really depends. Bummer but there aren't a lot of good
heavy duty sedans out there any more except the Merc
Marquis, Ford equivalent, Lincoln Town Car if you never
need to take it off the road. If you want a bit more
ground clearance, how about a used Lincoln Navigator,
Dodge Dakota, Ford Expedition, etc. ?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

My Son's very happy with his four door F-150:
http://members.aol.com/Larr------/lartruck.jpg Get the tow package with
at least 350 cubic inches in your Ford, GMC, or Dodge choice.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"E.L. Lambent" wrote:
>
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

My Son's very happy with his four door F-150:
http://members.aol.com/Larr------/lartruck.jpg Get the tow package with
at least 350 cubic inches in your Ford, GMC, or Dodge choice.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"E.L. Lambent" wrote:
>
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

I use a Ford Expedition for my tow vehicle. It is rated to tow 7,000 pounds, so
the jeep is not a problem. I REALLY wanted a Grand Cherokee as my tow vehicle,
but it is only rated at 5,000 pounds and I thought that was just too close to
what the TJ and trailer would weigh. (I ended up pulling the TJ four down, so I
probably could have gotten away with the Grand Cherokee.)

Towing 4 down with the Expedition you know the jeep is back there. Stopping
distance is increased, and twisting mountain roads are no fun, as the jeep wants
to go one way and I want to go another. I highly recommend Not getting the
smallest vehicle that might do the job. It will always be at the edge of its
performance envelope and you will never be happy with it. (I've also towed my
TJ with a 40 foot motor home. I couldn't even tell it was back there. Couldn't
see it in the mirrors. Couldn't feel it try and push the back around.)

I used to drive in the TJ to the trail, talk about stuffed to the gills <lol>
First thing I would have to do is unload the luggage at the hotel, before we go
and have fun. Now Expedition has plenty of room for luggage and people and the
TJ travels ready for the trail.

Good Luck,
Dean


On 27 Sep 2003 15:25:25 -0700, lambeth65@earthlink.net (E.L. Lambert) wrote:

>i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
>driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
>trail.
>
>i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
>hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
>not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
>f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
>end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
>that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
>cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
>figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
>pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
>such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
>anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

I use a Ford Expedition for my tow vehicle. It is rated to tow 7,000 pounds, so
the jeep is not a problem. I REALLY wanted a Grand Cherokee as my tow vehicle,
but it is only rated at 5,000 pounds and I thought that was just too close to
what the TJ and trailer would weigh. (I ended up pulling the TJ four down, so I
probably could have gotten away with the Grand Cherokee.)

Towing 4 down with the Expedition you know the jeep is back there. Stopping
distance is increased, and twisting mountain roads are no fun, as the jeep wants
to go one way and I want to go another. I highly recommend Not getting the
smallest vehicle that might do the job. It will always be at the edge of its
performance envelope and you will never be happy with it. (I've also towed my
TJ with a 40 foot motor home. I couldn't even tell it was back there. Couldn't
see it in the mirrors. Couldn't feel it try and push the back around.)

I used to drive in the TJ to the trail, talk about stuffed to the gills <lol>
First thing I would have to do is unload the luggage at the hotel, before we go
and have fun. Now Expedition has plenty of room for luggage and people and the
TJ travels ready for the trail.

Good Luck,
Dean


On 27 Sep 2003 15:25:25 -0700, lambeth65@earthlink.net (E.L. Lambert) wrote:

>i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
>driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
>trail.
>
>i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
>hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
>not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
>f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
>end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
>that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
>cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
>figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
>pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
>such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
>anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

I use a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe which also runs the highways and off roads
with ease.
Love to and also have a 2000 xj cherokee
john

"E.L. Lambert" <lambeth65@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:76b045c1.0309271425.6f88a7c9@posting.google.c om...
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

I use a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe which also runs the highways and off roads
with ease.
Love to and also have a 2000 xj cherokee
john

"E.L. Lambert" <lambeth65@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:76b045c1.0309271425.6f88a7c9@posting.google.c om...
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

For towing a TJ to the trail, I would be looking to the SUV derivitive of
the F250, or equivelent.



"E.L. Lambert" <lambeth65@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:76b045c1.0309271425.6f88a7c9@posting.google.c om...
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

For towing a TJ to the trail, I would be looking to the SUV derivitive of
the F250, or equivelent.



"E.L. Lambert" <lambeth65@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:76b045c1.0309271425.6f88a7c9@posting.google.c om...
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

<i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily driver (40
freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the trail. anyone want
to share their experiences with tow vehicles?>

Do you plan to flat tow or use a car hauler trailer?

Your jeep, loaded for the trail, will probably weigh 4,000 lbs or more. A key
issue for flat towing will be the braking capacity of your tow rig since it
must stop two vehicles. (If you use a car hauler trailer, you will probably
already have brakes on one axle, but should have them on both.)

A trailer will weigh at least 1,600 lbs, therefore you should figure on a total
towed weight of 6,500-7,000 lbs for purposes of determining what capacity tow
rig you need, regardless of whether you intend to flat tow or trailer your
jeep. (Why buy a tow rig marginally capable of flat towing a jeep, leaving you
without options in the future?)

Another factor is the wheelbase of the tow rig. The longer the better. (I
know people who flat towed jeeps with Grand Cherokees who have reported that
combination to be dangerously unstable.)

The third factor is the engine in the tow rig. IMO, a 350 V8 is marginal at
best. You want a big block, or even better - a diesel.

I know your preference is something other than a pickup, but anything less than
the equivalent of a 3/4 ton truck is asking for trouble. (Sorry Bill, but I
think your son's F150 isn't enough vehicle for the job.) My recommendation
would be to look at "super cabs" or crew cab trucks if you need to carry
passengers, or if you really prefer a "car," then full size Suburbans or Tahoes
or an Expedition. Even better would be an Excursion.

(PS - I currently flat tow my jeep behind a Ford F250 4x4 diesel.)


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

<i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily driver (40
freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the trail. anyone want
to share their experiences with tow vehicles?>

Do you plan to flat tow or use a car hauler trailer?

Your jeep, loaded for the trail, will probably weigh 4,000 lbs or more. A key
issue for flat towing will be the braking capacity of your tow rig since it
must stop two vehicles. (If you use a car hauler trailer, you will probably
already have brakes on one axle, but should have them on both.)

A trailer will weigh at least 1,600 lbs, therefore you should figure on a total
towed weight of 6,500-7,000 lbs for purposes of determining what capacity tow
rig you need, regardless of whether you intend to flat tow or trailer your
jeep. (Why buy a tow rig marginally capable of flat towing a jeep, leaving you
without options in the future?)

Another factor is the wheelbase of the tow rig. The longer the better. (I
know people who flat towed jeeps with Grand Cherokees who have reported that
combination to be dangerously unstable.)

The third factor is the engine in the tow rig. IMO, a 350 V8 is marginal at
best. You want a big block, or even better - a diesel.

I know your preference is something other than a pickup, but anything less than
the equivalent of a 3/4 ton truck is asking for trouble. (Sorry Bill, but I
think your son's F150 isn't enough vehicle for the job.) My recommendation
would be to look at "super cabs" or crew cab trucks if you need to carry
passengers, or if you really prefer a "car," then full size Suburbans or Tahoes
or an Expedition. Even better would be an Excursion.

(PS - I currently flat tow my jeep behind a Ford F250 4x4 diesel.)


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

You need a jeep grand cherokee 5.9, 98, that 360 will do the trick, slight
mods for towing get the rating right up there

"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
news:l38cnvsv4mb4hk5ialj4hsopqlh6kj143h@4ax.com...
> I use a Ford Expedition for my tow vehicle. It is rated to tow 7,000
pounds, so
> the jeep is not a problem. I REALLY wanted a Grand Cherokee as my tow
vehicle,
> but it is only rated at 5,000 pounds and I thought that was just too close
to
> what the TJ and trailer would weigh. (I ended up pulling the TJ four
down, so I
> probably could have gotten away with the Grand Cherokee.)
>
> Towing 4 down with the Expedition you know the jeep is back there.
Stopping
> distance is increased, and twisting mountain roads are no fun, as the jeep
wants
> to go one way and I want to go another. I highly recommend Not getting
the
> smallest vehicle that might do the job. It will always be at the edge of
its
> performance envelope and you will never be happy with it. (I've also
towed my
> TJ with a 40 foot motor home. I couldn't even tell it was back there.
Couldn't
> see it in the mirrors. Couldn't feel it try and push the back around.)
>
> I used to drive in the TJ to the trail, talk about stuffed to the gills
<lol>
> First thing I would have to do is unload the luggage at the hotel, before
we go
> and have fun. Now Expedition has plenty of room for luggage and people
and the
> TJ travels ready for the trail.
>
> Good Luck,
> Dean
>
>
> On 27 Sep 2003 15:25:25 -0700, lambeth65@earthlink.net (E.L. Lambert)
wrote:
>
> >i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> >driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> >trail.
> >
> >i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> >hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> >not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> >f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> >end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
> >
> >that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> >cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> >figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> >pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> >such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
> >
> >anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

You need a jeep grand cherokee 5.9, 98, that 360 will do the trick, slight
mods for towing get the rating right up there

"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
news:l38cnvsv4mb4hk5ialj4hsopqlh6kj143h@4ax.com...
> I use a Ford Expedition for my tow vehicle. It is rated to tow 7,000
pounds, so
> the jeep is not a problem. I REALLY wanted a Grand Cherokee as my tow
vehicle,
> but it is only rated at 5,000 pounds and I thought that was just too close
to
> what the TJ and trailer would weigh. (I ended up pulling the TJ four
down, so I
> probably could have gotten away with the Grand Cherokee.)
>
> Towing 4 down with the Expedition you know the jeep is back there.
Stopping
> distance is increased, and twisting mountain roads are no fun, as the jeep
wants
> to go one way and I want to go another. I highly recommend Not getting
the
> smallest vehicle that might do the job. It will always be at the edge of
its
> performance envelope and you will never be happy with it. (I've also
towed my
> TJ with a 40 foot motor home. I couldn't even tell it was back there.
Couldn't
> see it in the mirrors. Couldn't feel it try and push the back around.)
>
> I used to drive in the TJ to the trail, talk about stuffed to the gills
<lol>
> First thing I would have to do is unload the luggage at the hotel, before
we go
> and have fun. Now Expedition has plenty of room for luggage and people
and the
> TJ travels ready for the trail.
>
> Good Luck,
> Dean
>
>
> On 27 Sep 2003 15:25:25 -0700, lambeth65@earthlink.net (E.L. Lambert)
wrote:
>
> >i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> >driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> >trail.
> >
> >i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> >hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> >not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> >f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> >end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
> >
> >that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> >cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> >figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> >pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> >such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
> >
> >anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Just a thought.

The Cherokee automatic is rated for 5000 lb towing, the 5 speed is only
rated for the 2000 lb according to my Cherokee owners manual.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"E.L. Lambert" wrote:
>
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Just a thought.

The Cherokee automatic is rated for 5000 lb towing, the 5 speed is only
rated for the 2000 lb according to my Cherokee owners manual.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"E.L. Lambert" wrote:
>
> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

"E.L. Lambert" wrote:

> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

E.L.,

we have been towing our '95 YJ for several years now from the San
Francisco Bay Area (San Jose, to be exact) up to Tahoe for our annual
vacation up there around Labor Day, using our '97 Lincoln Town Car. We
are using a "Break Buddy" suplemental break system in the Jeep while it
is being towed, which is essential, but with that this combination works
quite well, we never had a problem. Of course the gas mileage especially
on the way up to Tahoe is not great (about 12 mpg), but still better than
driving both cars separately. The whole setup for both cars (the Town Car
was not set up for towing before), including the Break Buddy cost us
about $1,400.

Good luck!

Wolfgang.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

"E.L. Lambert" wrote:

> i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> trail.
>
> i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
>
> that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
>
> anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?

E.L.,

we have been towing our '95 YJ for several years now from the San
Francisco Bay Area (San Jose, to be exact) up to Tahoe for our annual
vacation up there around Labor Day, using our '97 Lincoln Town Car. We
are using a "Break Buddy" suplemental break system in the Jeep while it
is being towed, which is essential, but with that this combination works
quite well, we never had a problem. Of course the gas mileage especially
on the way up to Tahoe is not great (about 12 mpg), but still better than
driving both cars separately. The whole setup for both cars (the Town Car
was not set up for towing before), including the Break Buddy cost us
about $1,400.

Good luck!

Wolfgang.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
in the manual to cover their butts.

There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
accordingly.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
in the manual to cover their butts.

There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
accordingly.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Please call me when you are towing anything, I want to be sure I am not on
the road that day.





"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
> Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> in the manual to cover their butts.
>
> There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
> want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
> divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
> accordingly.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Please call me when you are towing anything, I want to be sure I am not on
the road that day.





"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
> Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> in the manual to cover their butts.
>
> There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
> want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
> divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
> accordingly.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Ditto!

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Please call me when you are towing anything, I want to be sure I am not on
> the road that day.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
>
>>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
>>are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
>>looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
>>lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
>>in the manual to cover their butts.
>>
>>There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
>>you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
>>duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
>>want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
>>divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
>>accordingly.
>
>
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Ditto!

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Please call me when you are towing anything, I want to be sure I am not on
> the road that day.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
>
>>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
>>are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
>>looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
>>lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
>>in the manual to cover their butts.
>>
>>There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
>>you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
>>duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
>>want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
>>divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
>>accordingly.
>
>
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Me three.

Perry Gagnon wrote:
>
> Ditto!

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Me three.

Perry Gagnon wrote:
>
> Ditto!

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Joshua Nelson wrote:



>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt <snip>
>If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000 lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put
"don't
>tow more than 2,000 lbs" in the manual to cover their butts. <snip> If you're
towing on
>flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine
>and heavy duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more.

Joshua,

Your un-informed "advice" is going to get someone killed. There is a lot more
to towing than weight ratings. A Cherokee is too light AND has too short a
wheelbase to safely tow a jeep.

You shouldn't give advice unless you know what you're talking about.


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

Joshua Nelson wrote:



>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt <snip>
>If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000 lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put
"don't
>tow more than 2,000 lbs" in the manual to cover their butts. <snip> If you're
towing on
>flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine
>and heavy duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more.

Joshua,

Your un-informed "advice" is going to get someone killed. There is a lot more
to towing than weight ratings. A Cherokee is too light AND has too short a
wheelbase to safely tow a jeep.

You shouldn't give advice unless you know what you're talking about.


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

I used to see people all the time pushing the limits of their vehicle back when
I worked for the Forest Service. We called them "wood cutters", it was also
synonymous with "stupid idiot." Every weekend there was a never ending parade
of people that loaded their trucks and trailers to the max and then some with
fire wood, because the manufactures "couldn't really be counted on" to give
accurate load limits for their vehicles. Busted axles, blown tires, accidents,
and injury were common. I would be willing to bet that the manufacturers push
the limits of what their vehicles will do rather than err on the side of safety.
Look at the Dana 35 axle under many of our Jeeps, off road it is marginal at
best.

Bottom line it this is bad advice. If nothing happens, fine. BUT, if there is
an accident you can be assured that the other side WILL have an attorney and the
first question he will ask is was the vehicle overloaded. If the answer is yes,
you can kiss your wallet good bye cause he is going to clean it out.

Dean


On 29 Sep 2003 14:24:32 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
>are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
>looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
>lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
>in the manual to cover their butts.
>
>There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
>you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
>duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
>want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
>divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
>accordingly.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

I used to see people all the time pushing the limits of their vehicle back when
I worked for the Forest Service. We called them "wood cutters", it was also
synonymous with "stupid idiot." Every weekend there was a never ending parade
of people that loaded their trucks and trailers to the max and then some with
fire wood, because the manufactures "couldn't really be counted on" to give
accurate load limits for their vehicles. Busted axles, blown tires, accidents,
and injury were common. I would be willing to bet that the manufacturers push
the limits of what their vehicles will do rather than err on the side of safety.
Look at the Dana 35 axle under many of our Jeeps, off road it is marginal at
best.

Bottom line it this is bad advice. If nothing happens, fine. BUT, if there is
an accident you can be assured that the other side WILL have an attorney and the
first question he will ask is was the vehicle overloaded. If the answer is yes,
you can kiss your wallet good bye cause he is going to clean it out.

Dean


On 29 Sep 2003 14:24:32 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
>are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
>looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
>lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
>in the manual to cover their butts.
>
>There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
>you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
>duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
>want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
>divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
>accordingly.

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

>
> There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business.

The safety experts set these guidelines to the lowest common denominator --
you. They know that idiots will come along and look at the manual and think
they can easily multiply any figures given by 3. People that do this are a
risk to themselves and to everybody around them.

Your mentality about towing is the same as about winching. I am waiting for
the day when CNN has a lead story where "a young man and fifteen others were
killed today because the young man was pulling an over-limit load with a
too-weak winch. Film at eleven."

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

>
> There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business.

The safety experts set these guidelines to the lowest common denominator --
you. They know that idiots will come along and look at the manual and think
they can easily multiply any figures given by 3. People that do this are a
risk to themselves and to everybody around them.

Your mentality about towing is the same as about winching. I am waiting for
the day when CNN has a lead story where "a young man and fifteen others were
killed today because the young man was pulling an over-limit load with a
too-weak winch. Film at eleven."

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
> Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> in the manual to cover their butts.

And you recommend that we disregard them... you are
exposing yourself to potential problems... best to use
a standard disclaimer, such as "but I'm not an expert",
which most around here should already know.

Is that the logic you used when you bought your winch?

> There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
> want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
> divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
> accordingly.

An XJ with an 8 cylinder engine would be pretty hard to find.

I've fixed up my XJ with what passes for the factory tow
package... it came with the corp 8.25 rear, I added Amsoil
70w140, Hayden transmission cooler, T-wiring kit, and
Class III hitch. Of course, it has the automatic transmission
and 4.0 I6. I wouldn't do any Class III towing unless I
had done this, were I you.
__
Steve
..

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.c om...
> Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> in the manual to cover their butts.

And you recommend that we disregard them... you are
exposing yourself to potential problems... best to use
a standard disclaimer, such as "but I'm not an expert",
which most around here should already know.

Is that the logic you used when you bought your winch?

> There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more. However if you
> want to drive at max speed and haul something over the continental
> divide that is another matter entirely... so scale your expectations
> accordingly.

An XJ with an 8 cylinder engine would be pretty hard to find.

I've fixed up my XJ with what passes for the factory tow
package... it came with the corp 8.25 rear, I added Amsoil
70w140, Hayden transmission cooler, T-wiring kit, and
Class III hitch. Of course, it has the automatic transmission
and 4.0 I6. I wouldn't do any Class III towing unless I
had done this, were I you.
__
Steve
..

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

In article <b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
>are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
>looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
>lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
>in the manual to cover their butts.

And you know this how? Your extensive experience? You were in on the design
process? You worked for NHTSA in developing the guidelines for GCVR's?

Interesting. You think a 4500 pound winch will pull a mud-stuck TJ, and now you
think the manufacturer tow ratings are just a "suggestion" and may be legally
and safely exceeded as long as you're extra-careful.

>
>There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
>you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
>duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more.

Wrong, there are several reasons. Everyone else has responded in kind, all I
have to say is "what an idiot."

For giving such bad advice, you are grounded, young man.


* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

In article <b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
>are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
>looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
>lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
>in the manual to cover their butts.

And you know this how? Your extensive experience? You were in on the design
process? You worked for NHTSA in developing the guidelines for GCVR's?

Interesting. You think a 4500 pound winch will pull a mud-stuck TJ, and now you
think the manufacturer tow ratings are just a "suggestion" and may be legally
and safely exceeded as long as you're extra-careful.

>
>There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
>you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
>duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
>cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more.

Wrong, there are several reasons. Everyone else has responded in kind, all I
have to say is "what an idiot."

For giving such bad advice, you are grounded, young man.


* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

He also paid something like $15,000 for a CJ...

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20030929215521.05539.00001130@mb-m16.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> >are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> >looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> >lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> >in the manual to cover their butts.
>
> And you know this how? Your extensive experience? You were in on the
design
> process? You worked for NHTSA in developing the guidelines for GCVR's?
>
> Interesting. You think a 4500 pound winch will pull a mud-stuck TJ, and
now you
> think the manufacturer tow ratings are just a "suggestion" and may be
legally
> and safely exceeded as long as you're extra-careful.
>
> >
> >There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> >you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> >duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> >cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more.
>
> Wrong, there are several reasons. Everyone else has responded in kind, all
I
> have to say is "what an idiot."
>
> For giving such bad advice, you are grounded, young man.
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

He also paid something like $15,000 for a CJ...

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20030929215521.05539.00001130@mb-m16.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0309291324.2423944f@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >Take manufacturer recommendations with a grain of salt. Remember they
> >are writing that owner's manual with a battalion of liability lawyers
> >looking over their shoulders. If the vehicle can safely tow 6,000
> >lbs, they probably divide by 3 and put "don't tow more than 2,000 lbs"
> >in the manual to cover their butts.
>
> And you know this how? Your extensive experience? You were in on the
design
> process? You worked for NHTSA in developing the guidelines for GCVR's?
>
> Interesting. You think a 4500 pound winch will pull a mud-stuck TJ, and
now you
> think the manufacturer tow ratings are just a "suggestion" and may be
legally
> and safely exceeded as long as you're extra-careful.
>
> >
> >There is no way that towing is such a one size fits all business. If
> >you're towing on flat ground and have an 8-cylinder engine and heavy
> >duty transmission, and keep it under 55mph, there is no reason a
> >cherokee can't tow 5,000 pounds or possibly much more.
>
> Wrong, there are several reasons. Everyone else has responded in kind, all
I
> have to say is "what an idiot."
>
> For giving such bad advice, you are grounded, young man.
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Re: tow vehicle suggestions
 

While not germaine to the original question, do you have any idea WHY
the tow rating is degraded with the manual tranny? Same engine, same
brakes, same running gear, but 3000# lower towing limit. I could
never figure that one out. The MJ with the heavy duty package was
rated 7000# and the only difference was a D44 rearend and (probably)
larger brakes. As a practical matter, towing with a 5-spd makes for
an interesting clutch manipulation breaking free a heavy load but why
the difference in ratings limit?

BTW, with a decent hitch and pintle hookup I had no problems pulling
4-5 ton hay trailers all over the farm last summer but that was
usually 4-LO and maybe 5mph max <g>. Not dumb enough (yet) to try
that on pavement.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:25:57 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Just a thought.
>
> The Cherokee automatic is rated for 5000 lb towing, the 5 speed is only
> rated for the 2000 lb according to my Cherokee owners manual.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "E.L. Lambert" wrote:
> >
> > i am in the market for a vehicle that will see dual use as a daily
> > driver (40 freeway miles per day) and also for towing my jeep to the
> > trail.
> >
> > i am trying to decide what kind of vehicle to get and i would like to
> > hear what others have to say on this. i need more a people hauler and
> > not a work vehicle so i have ruled out large pickups such as the
> > f-250. i also don't want to break the bank so i have ruled out high
> > end SUVs such as the hummer and escalade.
> >
> > that leaves two options: 1. midsize SUVs such as the GMC Jimmy (sorry
> > cherokee fans - DCs website says you can only tow 2000 pounds, and i
> > figure a loaded trail jeep + full trailer is at least 5 or 6 thousand
> > pounds, which the jimmy can manage, just barely) or 2. heavy sedans
> > such as the cadillac seville, lincoln towncar, or mercedes e500.
> >
> > anyone want to share their experiences with tow vehicles?


--
Will Honea