TJ vs. JK
07-23-2007, 10:46 PM
#51
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
About what? It really was from ATT News who is a longtime friend, but
someone who I constantly disagree with.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You almost had me convinced! :-)
>
> <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really.
>> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but
>> not with that ignoramus, Dik
>> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to
>> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha..
>> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit
>> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a
>> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else.
>> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their
>> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin
>> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo.
>> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.")
>>
>> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on
>> the letters J and
>> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way.
>> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully
>> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and
>> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous
>> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined
>> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways.
>> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and
>> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports,
>> bleated.
>> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum
>> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements.
>> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is
>> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced,
>> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive."
>>
>> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious
>> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and
>> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one
>> of the new Jeep "thingies."
>> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line
>> " becomes.
>>
>> Es Verdad.
>>
>> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of
>> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released
>>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of
>>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real
>>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't
>>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
>>>
>>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
>>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
>>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>>>>
>>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
>>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
>>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
>>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a
>>>> REAL
>>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
>>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
>>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want
>>>> is
>>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
>>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>>>>> like an offroader's dream!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
someone who I constantly disagree with.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You almost had me convinced! :-)
>
> <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really.
>> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but
>> not with that ignoramus, Dik
>> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to
>> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha..
>> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit
>> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a
>> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else.
>> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their
>> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin
>> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo.
>> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.")
>>
>> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on
>> the letters J and
>> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way.
>> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully
>> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and
>> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous
>> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined
>> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways.
>> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and
>> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports,
>> bleated.
>> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum
>> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements.
>> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is
>> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced,
>> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive."
>>
>> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious
>> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and
>> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one
>> of the new Jeep "thingies."
>> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line
>> " becomes.
>>
>> Es Verdad.
>>
>> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of
>> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released
>>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of
>>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real
>>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't
>>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
>>>
>>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
>>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
>>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>>>>
>>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
>>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
>>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
>>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a
>>>> REAL
>>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
>>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
>>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want
>>>> is
>>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
>>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>>>>> like an offroader's dream!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-23-2007, 10:46 PM
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
About what? It really was from ATT News who is a longtime friend, but
someone who I constantly disagree with.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You almost had me convinced! :-)
>
> <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really.
>> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but
>> not with that ignoramus, Dik
>> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to
>> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha..
>> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit
>> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a
>> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else.
>> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their
>> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin
>> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo.
>> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.")
>>
>> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on
>> the letters J and
>> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way.
>> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully
>> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and
>> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous
>> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined
>> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways.
>> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and
>> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports,
>> bleated.
>> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum
>> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements.
>> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is
>> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced,
>> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive."
>>
>> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious
>> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and
>> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one
>> of the new Jeep "thingies."
>> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line
>> " becomes.
>>
>> Es Verdad.
>>
>> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of
>> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released
>>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of
>>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real
>>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't
>>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
>>>
>>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
>>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
>>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>>>>
>>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
>>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
>>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
>>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a
>>>> REAL
>>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
>>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
>>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want
>>>> is
>>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
>>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>>>>> like an offroader's dream!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
someone who I constantly disagree with.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You almost had me convinced! :-)
>
> <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really.
>> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but
>> not with that ignoramus, Dik
>> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to
>> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha..
>> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit
>> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a
>> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else.
>> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their
>> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin
>> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo.
>> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.")
>>
>> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on
>> the letters J and
>> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way.
>> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully
>> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and
>> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous
>> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined
>> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways.
>> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and
>> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports,
>> bleated.
>> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum
>> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements.
>> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is
>> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced,
>> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive."
>>
>> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious
>> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and
>> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one
>> of the new Jeep "thingies."
>> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line
>> " becomes.
>>
>> Es Verdad.
>>
>> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of
>> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released
>>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of
>>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real
>>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't
>>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
>>>
>>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
>>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
>>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>>>>
>>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
>>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
>>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
>>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a
>>>> REAL
>>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
>>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
>>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want
>>>> is
>>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
>>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>>>>> like an offroader's dream!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-23-2007, 10:46 PM
#53
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
About what? It really was from ATT News who is a longtime friend, but
someone who I constantly disagree with.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You almost had me convinced! :-)
>
> <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really.
>> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but
>> not with that ignoramus, Dik
>> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to
>> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha..
>> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit
>> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a
>> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else.
>> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their
>> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin
>> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo.
>> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.")
>>
>> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on
>> the letters J and
>> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way.
>> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully
>> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and
>> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous
>> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined
>> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways.
>> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and
>> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports,
>> bleated.
>> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum
>> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements.
>> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is
>> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced,
>> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive."
>>
>> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious
>> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and
>> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one
>> of the new Jeep "thingies."
>> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line
>> " becomes.
>>
>> Es Verdad.
>>
>> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of
>> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released
>>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of
>>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real
>>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't
>>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
>>>
>>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
>>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
>>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>>>>
>>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
>>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
>>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
>>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a
>>>> REAL
>>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
>>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
>>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want
>>>> is
>>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
>>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>>>>> like an offroader's dream!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
someone who I constantly disagree with.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You almost had me convinced! :-)
>
> <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really.
>> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but
>> not with that ignoramus, Dik
>> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to
>> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha..
>> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit
>> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a
>> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else.
>> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their
>> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin
>> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo.
>> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.")
>>
>> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on
>> the letters J and
>> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way.
>> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully
>> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and
>> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous
>> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined
>> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways.
>> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and
>> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports,
>> bleated.
>> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum
>> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements.
>> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is
>> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced,
>> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive."
>>
>> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious
>> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and
>> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one
>> of the new Jeep "thingies."
>> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line
>> " becomes.
>>
>> Es Verdad.
>>
>> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of
>> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released
>>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of
>>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real
>>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't
>>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
>>>
>>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
>>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
>>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>>>>
>>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
>>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
>>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
>>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a
>>>> REAL
>>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
>>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
>>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want
>>>> is
>>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
>>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>>>>> like an offroader's dream!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-25-2007, 09:59 AM
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
07-25-2007, 09:59 AM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
07-25-2007, 09:59 AM
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
07-25-2007, 09:59 AM
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of
CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way
except the soft top was better.
tw
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
> was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
> suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
> think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
> long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?
07-25-2007, 10:00 AM
#58
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Re: TJ vs. JK
Brian wrote:
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor
> signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the
> biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah!
>
>
> B
Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum.
tw
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor
> signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the
> biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah!
>
>
> B
Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum.
tw
07-25-2007, 10:00 AM
#59
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
Brian wrote:
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor
> signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the
> biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah!
>
>
> B
Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum.
tw
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor
> signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the
> biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah!
>
>
> B
Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum.
tw
07-25-2007, 10:00 AM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ vs. JK
Brian wrote:
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor
> signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the
> biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah!
>
>
> B
Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum.
tw
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor
> signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the
> biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah!
>
>
> B
Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum.
tw