Patrick

Hi,
Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
Quite a difference !
Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without a
single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car could
tow much more.
Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
regulation between US and Europe ?
Thanks for your answers.
Best regards,
Patrick

Dave Milne

I believe the difference is in the detail.

The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.

My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
job
with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
type and
the single axle type is significant.

I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.

The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
couldn't allow you
to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.

Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
Defender which
I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
base)

Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
Trailer with Brakes:
Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)

If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

Dave Milne

I believe the difference is in the detail.

The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.

My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
job
with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
type and
the single axle type is significant.

I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.

The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
couldn't allow you
to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.

Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
Defender which
I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
base)

Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
Trailer with Brakes:
Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)

If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

Dave Milne

I believe the difference is in the detail.

The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.

My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
job
with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
type and
the single axle type is significant.

I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.

The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
couldn't allow you
to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.

Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
Defender which
I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
base)

Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
Trailer with Brakes:
Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)

If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

Dave Milne

I believe the difference is in the detail.

The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.

My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
job
with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
type and
the single axle type is significant.

I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.

The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
couldn't allow you
to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.

Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
Defender which
I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
base)

Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
Trailer with Brakes:
Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)

If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

RoyJ

There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make
it that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear
end around.

Patrick wrote:
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

RoyJ

There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make
it that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear
end around.

Patrick wrote:
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

RoyJ

There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make
it that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear
end around.

Patrick wrote:
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

RoyJ

There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make
it that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear
end around.

Patrick wrote:
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>

Tom P

I tow with my TJ and it will pull alot but won't stop much. I have the Auto
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.

Tom


"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
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> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>