twaldron

Jon wrote:

> On Jul 30, 3:20 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>>Jon wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Jon <jongodd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Tracie wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>>>>>>>>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>>>>>>>>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>>>>>>>>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>>>>>>>>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>>>>>>>>two options I am considering:
>>
>>>>>>>>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>>>>>>>>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>>>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>>>tires with that setup?
>>
>>>>>>>>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>>>>>>>>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>>>>>>>>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>>
>>>>>>>>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>>>>>>>>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>>>>>>>>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>>>>>>>>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>>>>>>>>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>>>>>>>>lift and the body lift?
>>
>>>>>>>>THANKS
>>
>>>>>>>Why do you want a body lift?
>>
>>>>>>>Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
>>>>>>>will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
>>>>>>>downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
>>>>>>>The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
>>>>>>>the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>>
>>>>>>>The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
>>>>>>>articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
>>>>>>>ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>>
>>>>>>>Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
>>>>>>>explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
>>>>>>>the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
>>>>>>>33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>>
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>>>>>Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
>>>>>clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
>>>>>am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
>>>>>are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
>>>>>for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
>>>>>have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
>>>>>shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
>>>>>spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
>>>>>quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
>>>>>longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
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>>>>Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
>>>>the "splash in the mud" statement...
>>
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>>>I only ask because for any given dollar range, there's a best and
>>>worst case scenario, but comparing outside that range is all about
>>>apples and oranges....and already a few have popped up.
>>
>>>You should call up a few distributors and see where they steer you --
>>>each company specifies spring length and rates (firmness) based upon
>>>how much cargo/add-ons they anticipate and how that all plays into
>>>ride quality. Hardtops, racks, winches, bumpers, etc. etc. .... end
>>>up making a big difference. Here's a couple of threads I marked to
>>>show the difference between mfrs ...
>>
>>>http://www.mpjai.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...1998d39f50cc7d...
>>
>>>http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...hreadid=508279
>>
>>>For a Wrangler that will be 95% street, 5% offroad, I'd be hard
>>>pressed to go beyond a spacer/body lift.
>>
>>Not necessarily. There are many Jeeps lifted 4" or more that never see
>>dirt. That is just way too high for spacers. You have to decide the
>>height increase desired first, then the type of lift.
>>
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>
>
> Agreed. "Value Engineering" has its limitations.
>
> Jon
>

Yep, always a trade off. So, Tracie...decide how you want your Jeep to
look (you've told us the intended use) and maybe we can help you get
there. Who is going to put the lift on?

tw

ULB

On Jul 30, 8:18 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> two options I am considering:
>
> 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> mentioned
> tires with that setup?
>
> 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> lift and the body lift?
>
> THANKS

Go with what TWaldron is stating. I have the Rubicon Express 4.5"
short arm with OME nitro chargers, 33x12.5 (3.75" back space). Loving
it. Of course I do have the double cardan shaft. Its only a few
hundred more, worth the money IMHO. Drop in the bucket when looking
at wheels and rims. :)

don't go with body lift.

No worries on the ride quality, mine is way better than stock other
than cornering. I currently have 4.11 gearing. No idea what you have
but keep that in mind. You don't want a dog on the road. Anyway,
take care,

ULB

On Jul 30, 8:18 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> two options I am considering:
>
> 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> mentioned
> tires with that setup?
>
> 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> lift and the body lift?
>
> THANKS

Go with what TWaldron is stating. I have the Rubicon Express 4.5"
short arm with OME nitro chargers, 33x12.5 (3.75" back space). Loving
it. Of course I do have the double cardan shaft. Its only a few
hundred more, worth the money IMHO. Drop in the bucket when looking
at wheels and rims. :)

don't go with body lift.

No worries on the ride quality, mine is way better than stock other
than cornering. I currently have 4.11 gearing. No idea what you have
but keep that in mind. You don't want a dog on the road. Anyway,
take care,

ULB

On Jul 30, 8:18 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> two options I am considering:
>
> 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> mentioned
> tires with that setup?
>
> 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> lift and the body lift?
>
> THANKS

Go with what TWaldron is stating. I have the Rubicon Express 4.5"
short arm with OME nitro chargers, 33x12.5 (3.75" back space). Loving
it. Of course I do have the double cardan shaft. Its only a few
hundred more, worth the money IMHO. Drop in the bucket when looking
at wheels and rims. :)

don't go with body lift.

No worries on the ride quality, mine is way better than stock other
than cornering. I currently have 4.11 gearing. No idea what you have
but keep that in mind. You don't want a dog on the road. Anyway,
take care,

ULB

On Jul 30, 8:18 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> two options I am considering:
>
> 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> mentioned
> tires with that setup?
>
> 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> lift and the body lift?
>
> THANKS

Go with what TWaldron is stating. I have the Rubicon Express 4.5"
short arm with OME nitro chargers, 33x12.5 (3.75" back space). Loving
it. Of course I do have the double cardan shaft. Its only a few
hundred more, worth the money IMHO. Drop in the bucket when looking
at wheels and rims. :)

don't go with body lift.

No worries on the ride quality, mine is way better than stock other
than cornering. I currently have 4.11 gearing. No idea what you have
but keep that in mind. You don't want a dog on the road. Anyway,
take care,

Old Crow

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:18:27 -0700, Tracie <brainart@upstate.edu>
wrote:

>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>two options I am considering:
>
>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>mentioned
>tires with that setup?
>
>
>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
>
>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>lift and the body lift?
>
>THANKS


http://7slotgrille.com/tech/zjtjlift/index.html
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'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


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Old Crow

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:18:27 -0700, Tracie <brainart@upstate.edu>
wrote:

>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>two options I am considering:
>
>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>mentioned
>tires with that setup?
>
>
>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
>
>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>lift and the body lift?
>
>THANKS


http://7slotgrille.com/tech/zjtjlift/index.html
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


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Old Crow

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:18:27 -0700, Tracie <brainart@upstate.edu>
wrote:

>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>two options I am considering:
>
>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>mentioned
>tires with that setup?
>
>
>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
>
>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>lift and the body lift?
>
>THANKS


http://7slotgrille.com/tech/zjtjlift/index.html
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


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Old Crow

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:18:27 -0700, Tracie <brainart@upstate.edu>
wrote:

>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>two options I am considering:
>
>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>mentioned
>tires with that setup?
>
>
>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
>
>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>lift and the body lift?
>
>THANKS


http://7slotgrille.com/tech/zjtjlift/index.html
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


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Tracie

On Jul 30, 11:58 pm, ULB <ultralightbackpac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 8:18 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> > times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> > manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> > spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> > goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> > two options I am considering:
>
> > 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> > need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> > mentioned
> > tires with that setup?
>
> > 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> > lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> > route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> > What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> > future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> > wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> > is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> > recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> > lift and the body lift?
>
> > THANKS
>
> Go with what TWaldron is stating. I have the Rubicon Express 4.5"
> short arm with OME nitro chargers, 33x12.5 (3.75" back space). Loving
> it. Of course I do have the double cardan shaft. Its only a few
> hundred more, worth the money IMHO. Drop in the bucket when looking
> at wheels and rims. :)
>
> don't go with body lift.
>
> No worries on the ride quality, mine is way better than stock other
> than cornering. I currently have 4.11 gearing. No idea what you have
> but keep that in mind. You don't want a dog on the road. Anyway,
> take care,- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK. I have decided to go with a 4 inch suspension lift with springs
not spacers. The only reason I would like to add a 1 inch body lift
on top of the 4 inch suspension lift is to be able to clear 33 X 11.5
X 15 tires. Will I be able to do this with just the 4 inch suspension
lift without the 1 inch body lift and not have to worry about
rubbing? My only concern is when I go with the 4 inch suspension
lift, do I also need to replace the CV driveshaft and the SYE? I am
only willing to spend about 500-600 dollars on a lift kit (prior to
labor expense), and I have a wonderful knowlegeable mechanic that is
very inexpensive who will put the lift on for me ($45/hr). The reason
I want the lift is mainly for looks. Stock look is just not doing it
for me. I like the "beefy" stance, hence the lift and bigger tires.
As for spring rate, I am not going to load down my jeep, and I do not
have a hardtop. I have the soft top.

Now....the question I have is this: Will a 4 inch suspension lift and
33 X 11.5 X 15(or even 10.5) tires make a big difference in the
overall look of the jeep? The tires I want are the BF Goodrich All
Terrain Mud Tires. According to some info I found on the internet, I
shouldn't have to buy new wheels as my stock are 15 X 8, and the 33 X
10.5 X 15 will fit anything from a 15 X 7 to a 15 X 9 rim. Can
someone tell me what brands of lift to stay away from?