Jon

On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
> > > Tracie wrote:
> > > > Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> > > > times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> > > > manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> > > > spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> > > > goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> > > > two options I am considering:
>
> > > > 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> > > > need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> > > > mentioned
> > > > tires with that setup?
>
> > > > 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> > > > lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> > > > route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> > > > What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> > > > future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> > > > wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> > > > is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> > > > recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> > > > lift and the body lift?
>
> > > > THANKS
>
> > > Why do you want a body lift?
>
> > > Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
> > > will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
> > > downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
> > > The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
> > > the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>
> > > The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
> > > articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
> > > ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>
> > > Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
> > > explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
> > > the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
> > > 33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>
> > > tw- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
the "splash in the mud" statement...

.....but the cost question still applies.

twaldron

Tracie wrote:
> On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tracie wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>>>>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>>>>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>>>>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>>>>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>>>>two options I am considering:
>>
>>>>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>>>>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>>>>mentioned
>>>>tires with that setup?
>>
>>>>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>>>>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>>>>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>>
>>>>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>>>>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>>>>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>>>>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>>>>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>>>>lift and the body lift?
>>
>>>>THANKS
>>
>>>Why do you want a body lift?
>>
>>>Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
>>>will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
>>>downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
>>>The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
>>>the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>>
>>>The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
>>>articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
>>>ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>>
>>>Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
>>>explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
>>>the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
>>>33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>>
>>>tw- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.
>

I think the 2" coils spacers are OK, but I would NOT stack spacers in
any form. The ride with the 2" spacers will be the same as stock,
depending on which shocks you use. Shocks can have a major impact on
ride quality, just as springs can. I'm not a fan of body lifts, so
unless there is a reason to do one, I'd take that right out of the
equation.

I have the Rubicon Express susp. lift and am very happy with it. Prior
to that, I had a 4" Teraflex lift. Both rode and performed well.
Personally, I would save my pennies and get a suspension lift for
anything over 2". I think 33s with the 2" lift would be too tight even
for moderate offroading.

tw

twaldron

Tracie wrote:
> On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tracie wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>>>>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>>>>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>>>>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>>>>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>>>>two options I am considering:
>>
>>>>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>>>>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>>>>mentioned
>>>>tires with that setup?
>>
>>>>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>>>>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>>>>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>>
>>>>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>>>>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>>>>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>>>>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>>>>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>>>>lift and the body lift?
>>
>>>>THANKS
>>
>>>Why do you want a body lift?
>>
>>>Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
>>>will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
>>>downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
>>>The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
>>>the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>>
>>>The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
>>>articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
>>>ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>>
>>>Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
>>>explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
>>>the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
>>>33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>>
>>>tw- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.
>

I think the 2" coils spacers are OK, but I would NOT stack spacers in
any form. The ride with the 2" spacers will be the same as stock,
depending on which shocks you use. Shocks can have a major impact on
ride quality, just as springs can. I'm not a fan of body lifts, so
unless there is a reason to do one, I'd take that right out of the
equation.

I have the Rubicon Express susp. lift and am very happy with it. Prior
to that, I had a 4" Teraflex lift. Both rode and performed well.
Personally, I would save my pennies and get a suspension lift for
anything over 2". I think 33s with the 2" lift would be too tight even
for moderate offroading.

tw

twaldron

Tracie wrote:
> On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tracie wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>>>>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>>>>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>>>>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>>>>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>>>>two options I am considering:
>>
>>>>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>>>>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>>>>mentioned
>>>>tires with that setup?
>>
>>>>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>>>>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>>>>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>>
>>>>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>>>>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>>>>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>>>>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>>>>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>>>>lift and the body lift?
>>
>>>>THANKS
>>
>>>Why do you want a body lift?
>>
>>>Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
>>>will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
>>>downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
>>>The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
>>>the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>>
>>>The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
>>>articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
>>>ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>>
>>>Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
>>>explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
>>>the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
>>>33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>>
>>>tw- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.
>

I think the 2" coils spacers are OK, but I would NOT stack spacers in
any form. The ride with the 2" spacers will be the same as stock,
depending on which shocks you use. Shocks can have a major impact on
ride quality, just as springs can. I'm not a fan of body lifts, so
unless there is a reason to do one, I'd take that right out of the
equation.

I have the Rubicon Express susp. lift and am very happy with it. Prior
to that, I had a 4" Teraflex lift. Both rode and performed well.
Personally, I would save my pennies and get a suspension lift for
anything over 2". I think 33s with the 2" lift would be too tight even
for moderate offroading.

tw

twaldron

Tracie wrote:
> On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tracie wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>>>>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>>>>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>>>>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>>>>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>>>>two options I am considering:
>>
>>>>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>>>>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>>>>mentioned
>>>>tires with that setup?
>>
>>>>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>>>>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>>>>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>>
>>>>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>>>>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>>>>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>>>>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>>>>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>>>>lift and the body lift?
>>
>>>>THANKS
>>
>>>Why do you want a body lift?
>>
>>>Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
>>>will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
>>>downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
>>>The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
>>>the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>>
>>>The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
>>>articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
>>>ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>>
>>>Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
>>>explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
>>>the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
>>>33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>>
>>>tw- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.
>

I think the 2" coils spacers are OK, but I would NOT stack spacers in
any form. The ride with the 2" spacers will be the same as stock,
depending on which shocks you use. Shocks can have a major impact on
ride quality, just as springs can. I'm not a fan of body lifts, so
unless there is a reason to do one, I'd take that right out of the
equation.

I have the Rubicon Express susp. lift and am very happy with it. Prior
to that, I had a 4" Teraflex lift. Both rode and performed well.
Personally, I would save my pennies and get a suspension lift for
anything over 2". I think 33s with the 2" lift would be too tight even
for moderate offroading.

tw

Jon

On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Jon <jongodd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tracie wrote:
> > > > > Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> > > > > times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> > > > > manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> > > > > spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> > > > > goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> > > > > two options I am considering:
>
> > > > > 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> > > > > need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> > > > > mentioned
> > > > > tires with that setup?
>
> > > > > 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> > > > > lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> > > > > route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> > > > > What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> > > > > future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> > > > > wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> > > > > is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> > > > > recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> > > > > lift and the body lift?
>
> > > > > THANKS
>
> > > > Why do you want a body lift?
>
> > > > Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
> > > > will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
> > > > downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
> > > > The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
> > > > the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>
> > > > The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
> > > > articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
> > > > ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>
> > > > Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
> > > > explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
> > > > the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
> > > > 33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>
> > > > tw- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> > clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> > am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> > are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> > for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> > have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> > shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> > spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> > quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> > longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> > aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
> the "splash in the mud" statement...
>
> ....but the cost question still applies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I only ask because for any given dollar range, there's a best and
worst case scenario, but comparing outside that range is all about
apples and oranges....and already a few have popped up.

You should call up a few distributors and see where they steer you --
each company specifies spring length and rates (firmness) based upon
how much cargo/add-ons they anticipate and how that all plays into
ride quality. Hardtops, racks, winches, bumpers, etc. etc. .... end
up making a big difference. Here's a couple of threads I marked to
show the difference between mfrs ...

http://www.mpjai.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...c335ae4ffea32b

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...hreadid=508279

For a Wrangler that will be 95% street, 5% offroad, I'd be hard
pressed to go beyond a spacer/body lift.

Jon

On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Jon <jongodd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tracie wrote:
> > > > > Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> > > > > times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> > > > > manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> > > > > spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> > > > > goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> > > > > two options I am considering:
>
> > > > > 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> > > > > need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> > > > > mentioned
> > > > > tires with that setup?
>
> > > > > 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> > > > > lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> > > > > route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> > > > > What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> > > > > future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> > > > > wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> > > > > is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> > > > > recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> > > > > lift and the body lift?
>
> > > > > THANKS
>
> > > > Why do you want a body lift?
>
> > > > Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
> > > > will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
> > > > downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
> > > > The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
> > > > the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>
> > > > The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
> > > > articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
> > > > ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>
> > > > Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
> > > > explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
> > > > the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
> > > > 33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>
> > > > tw- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> > clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> > am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> > are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> > for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> > have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> > shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> > spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> > quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> > longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> > aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
> the "splash in the mud" statement...
>
> ....but the cost question still applies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I only ask because for any given dollar range, there's a best and
worst case scenario, but comparing outside that range is all about
apples and oranges....and already a few have popped up.

You should call up a few distributors and see where they steer you --
each company specifies spring length and rates (firmness) based upon
how much cargo/add-ons they anticipate and how that all plays into
ride quality. Hardtops, racks, winches, bumpers, etc. etc. .... end
up making a big difference. Here's a couple of threads I marked to
show the difference between mfrs ...

http://www.mpjai.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...c335ae4ffea32b

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...hreadid=508279

For a Wrangler that will be 95% street, 5% offroad, I'd be hard
pressed to go beyond a spacer/body lift.

Jon

On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Jon <jongodd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tracie wrote:
> > > > > Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> > > > > times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> > > > > manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> > > > > spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> > > > > goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> > > > > two options I am considering:
>
> > > > > 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> > > > > need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> > > > > mentioned
> > > > > tires with that setup?
>
> > > > > 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> > > > > lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> > > > > route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> > > > > What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> > > > > future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> > > > > wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> > > > > is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> > > > > recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> > > > > lift and the body lift?
>
> > > > > THANKS
>
> > > > Why do you want a body lift?
>
> > > > Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
> > > > will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
> > > > downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
> > > > The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
> > > > the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>
> > > > The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
> > > > articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
> > > > ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>
> > > > Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
> > > > explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
> > > > the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
> > > > 33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>
> > > > tw- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> > clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> > am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> > are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> > for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> > have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> > shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> > spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> > quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> > longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> > aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
> the "splash in the mud" statement...
>
> ....but the cost question still applies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I only ask because for any given dollar range, there's a best and
worst case scenario, but comparing outside that range is all about
apples and oranges....and already a few have popped up.

You should call up a few distributors and see where they steer you --
each company specifies spring length and rates (firmness) based upon
how much cargo/add-ons they anticipate and how that all plays into
ride quality. Hardtops, racks, winches, bumpers, etc. etc. .... end
up making a big difference. Here's a couple of threads I marked to
show the difference between mfrs ...

http://www.mpjai.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...c335ae4ffea32b

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...hreadid=508279

For a Wrangler that will be 95% street, 5% offroad, I'd be hard
pressed to go beyond a spacer/body lift.

Jon

On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Jon <jongodd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tracie wrote:
> > > > > Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
> > > > > times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
> > > > > manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
> > > > > spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
> > > > > goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
> > > > > two options I am considering:
>
> > > > > 1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
> > > > > need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
> > > > > mentioned
> > > > > tires with that setup?
>
> > > > > 2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
> > > > > lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
> > > > > route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>
> > > > > What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
> > > > > future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
> > > > > wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
> > > > > is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
> > > > > recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
> > > > > lift and the body lift?
>
> > > > > THANKS
>
> > > > Why do you want a body lift?
>
> > > > Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
> > > > will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
> > > > downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
> > > > The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
> > > > the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>
> > > > The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
> > > > articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
> > > > ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>
> > > > Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
> > > > explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
> > > > the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
> > > > 33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>
> > > > tw- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
> > clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
> > am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
> > are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
> > for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
> > have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
> > shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
> > spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
> > quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
> > longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
> > aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
> the "splash in the mud" statement...
>
> ....but the cost question still applies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I only ask because for any given dollar range, there's a best and
worst case scenario, but comparing outside that range is all about
apples and oranges....and already a few have popped up.

You should call up a few distributors and see where they steer you --
each company specifies spring length and rates (firmness) based upon
how much cargo/add-ons they anticipate and how that all plays into
ride quality. Hardtops, racks, winches, bumpers, etc. etc. .... end
up making a big difference. Here's a couple of threads I marked to
show the difference between mfrs ...

http://www.mpjai.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...c335ae4ffea32b

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...hreadid=508279

For a Wrangler that will be 95% street, 5% offroad, I'd be hard
pressed to go beyond a spacer/body lift.

twaldron

Jon wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Jon <jongodd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 11:11 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Jul 30, 1:46 pm, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Jul 30, 12:43 pm, twaldron <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Tracie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all. I know you've probably heard this question a million
>>>>>>times, but here goes. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with the 6 speed
>>>>>>manual tranny and A/C. I want to lift my jeep, but I don't want to
>>>>>>spend a lot of money on replacing the CV driveshaft and SYE kit. My
>>>>>>goal is to fit 33 X 10.5 or 33 X 11.5 tires on my jeep. Here are the
>>>>>>two options I am considering:
>>
>>>>>>1. If I get a 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift, would I
>>>>>>need to replace the driveshaft and SYE? Can I fit the above
>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>tires with that setup?
>>
>>>>>>2. I am also considering a 3 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body
>>>>>>lift. Would I need to replace the driveshaft or SYE if I go this
>>>>>>route? Can I still fit the above mentioned tires?
>>
>>>>>>What parts do I absolutely need to have in the lift kits to prevent
>>>>>>future problems with either lift? I do NOT plan on doing extreme
>>>>>>wheeling -- just a splash in the mud and some occasional trails. This
>>>>>>is my daily driver, and I do a lot of highway driving. Can someone
>>>>>>recommend a good reliable lift kit that includes both the suspension
>>>>>>lift and the body lift?
>>
>>>>>>THANKS
>>
>>>>>Why do you want a body lift?
>>
>>>>>Most of the complete kits include a transfer case drop down kit that
>>>>>will help with vibes avoiding the expense of the SYE/CV kits. The
>>>>>downside is that you will lose 1" clearance under your transfer case.
>>>>>The drop kit and having adjustable rear control arms help to 'dial in'
>>>>>the pinion angle to quell driveline vibes.
>>
>>>>>The downside to the spacer lift is that you will not gain any
>>>>>articulation that you would gain from replacing your springs with longer
>>>>>ones. Same goes for the shock vs bracket question.
>>
>>>>>Some Jeeps experience driveline vibes with less lift than others, no
>>>>>explanation for this. Harmonics, maybe. There are no guarantees. Go with
>>>>>the tallest lift you think you will want, so you only do it once. For
>>>>>33s, I like the 4.5" suspension lift, no spacers, no body lift.
>>
>>>>>tw- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>How is the quality of Rough Country 4" suspension lifts?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>Sorry for so many questions about these lifts, but I am really
>>>clueless. I know how much lift I want and what size tires I want, I
>>>am just not sure how to go about getting the results I want. There
>>>are so many options out there, and I just want to choose the best one
>>>for me. Anyone know anything about the 3 inch Pro Comp lift kits that
>>>have the four 2 inch spacers and four 1 inch spacers with the longer
>>>shocks? The 1 inch spacers supposedly stack on top of the 2 inch
>>>spacers for a total of 3 inches of suspension lift. How is the ride
>>>quality of these kits vs. the kits that have the longer shocks AND the
>>>longer springs (instead of spacers)? TW mentioned the articulation
>>>aspect....just wondering about ride quality too.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>Er, never mind the "duty" rating half of my post -- I somehow missed
>>the "splash in the mud" statement...
>>
>>....but the cost question still applies.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> I only ask because for any given dollar range, there's a best and
> worst case scenario, but comparing outside that range is all about
> apples and oranges....and already a few have popped up.
>
> You should call up a few distributors and see where they steer you --
> each company specifies spring length and rates (firmness) based upon
> how much cargo/add-ons they anticipate and how that all plays into
> ride quality. Hardtops, racks, winches, bumpers, etc. etc. .... end
> up making a big difference. Here's a couple of threads I marked to
> show the difference between mfrs ...
>
> http://www.mpjai.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...c335ae4ffea32b
>
> http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...hreadid=508279
>
> For a Wrangler that will be 95% street, 5% offroad, I'd be hard
> pressed to go beyond a spacer/body lift.
>


Not necessarily. There are many Jeeps lifted 4" or more that never see
dirt. That is just way too high for spacers. You have to decide the
height increase desired first, then the type of lift.

tw