TJ front end shimmy
08-06-2004, 11:37 AM
#11
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
I just helped a gent do his with new seals last week and if the end play
on the column stub isn't set, the steering wheel will be loose. This
makes the pitman and/or steering shaft stub sloppy.
Those boxes have to be off the vehicle to adjust them. The top preload
adjuster is too touchy to be done with a pitman arm on it. If you do,
it will burn out the box.
It shouldn't have any play.
I would also suspect the steering stabilizer shock as being bad.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410EA99E.92BC50B4@***.net...
> > A new stabilizer shock absorber will stop the shimmy:
> >
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...0101&langId=-1
> > When you take the old on off you will if you shake it hear the air that
> > has replaced the fluid that has leaked out. Of course you will still
> > have the problem that set off the shimmy, an out of round tire,
> > alignment: http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/index.as...tech/align.htm
> > worn out parts, like tie rod ends or ball joints, to that steering box
> > you said has too much play.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spark wrote:
> > >
> > > My 98 TJ has developed a bad shimmy in the front end. Usually starts
> > > at about 45 and gos away at 50. I first rebalanced the front tires.
> > > No change. Today I put the rears on the front. It got worse. Now it
> > > starts at 45 and doesn't stop til I slow way down. I put the front
> > > up on jacks and as far as i can tell everything is tight, but a
> > > little play, (back and forth, about a half inch), in the steering
> > > box arm. Is the arm suppose to have a little play in it. I haven't
> > > checked the manual yet to see if there is an adjustment to tighten
> > > up the box. Also, could the damper shock be the cause? I have not
> > > changed that since I've owned it, it might be the original one.Any
> > > thoughts?
on the column stub isn't set, the steering wheel will be loose. This
makes the pitman and/or steering shaft stub sloppy.
Those boxes have to be off the vehicle to adjust them. The top preload
adjuster is too touchy to be done with a pitman arm on it. If you do,
it will burn out the box.
It shouldn't have any play.
I would also suspect the steering stabilizer shock as being bad.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410EA99E.92BC50B4@***.net...
> > A new stabilizer shock absorber will stop the shimmy:
> >
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...0101&langId=-1
> > When you take the old on off you will if you shake it hear the air that
> > has replaced the fluid that has leaked out. Of course you will still
> > have the problem that set off the shimmy, an out of round tire,
> > alignment: http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/index.as...tech/align.htm
> > worn out parts, like tie rod ends or ball joints, to that steering box
> > you said has too much play.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spark wrote:
> > >
> > > My 98 TJ has developed a bad shimmy in the front end. Usually starts
> > > at about 45 and gos away at 50. I first rebalanced the front tires.
> > > No change. Today I put the rears on the front. It got worse. Now it
> > > starts at 45 and doesn't stop til I slow way down. I put the front
> > > up on jacks and as far as i can tell everything is tight, but a
> > > little play, (back and forth, about a half inch), in the steering
> > > box arm. Is the arm suppose to have a little play in it. I haven't
> > > checked the manual yet to see if there is an adjustment to tighten
> > > up the box. Also, could the damper shock be the cause? I have not
> > > changed that since I've owned it, it might be the original one.Any
> > > thoughts?
08-06-2004, 11:37 AM
#12
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
I just helped a gent do his with new seals last week and if the end play
on the column stub isn't set, the steering wheel will be loose. This
makes the pitman and/or steering shaft stub sloppy.
Those boxes have to be off the vehicle to adjust them. The top preload
adjuster is too touchy to be done with a pitman arm on it. If you do,
it will burn out the box.
It shouldn't have any play.
I would also suspect the steering stabilizer shock as being bad.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410EA99E.92BC50B4@***.net...
> > A new stabilizer shock absorber will stop the shimmy:
> >
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...0101&langId=-1
> > When you take the old on off you will if you shake it hear the air that
> > has replaced the fluid that has leaked out. Of course you will still
> > have the problem that set off the shimmy, an out of round tire,
> > alignment: http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/index.as...tech/align.htm
> > worn out parts, like tie rod ends or ball joints, to that steering box
> > you said has too much play.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spark wrote:
> > >
> > > My 98 TJ has developed a bad shimmy in the front end. Usually starts
> > > at about 45 and gos away at 50. I first rebalanced the front tires.
> > > No change. Today I put the rears on the front. It got worse. Now it
> > > starts at 45 and doesn't stop til I slow way down. I put the front
> > > up on jacks and as far as i can tell everything is tight, but a
> > > little play, (back and forth, about a half inch), in the steering
> > > box arm. Is the arm suppose to have a little play in it. I haven't
> > > checked the manual yet to see if there is an adjustment to tighten
> > > up the box. Also, could the damper shock be the cause? I have not
> > > changed that since I've owned it, it might be the original one.Any
> > > thoughts?
on the column stub isn't set, the steering wheel will be loose. This
makes the pitman and/or steering shaft stub sloppy.
Those boxes have to be off the vehicle to adjust them. The top preload
adjuster is too touchy to be done with a pitman arm on it. If you do,
it will burn out the box.
It shouldn't have any play.
I would also suspect the steering stabilizer shock as being bad.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410EA99E.92BC50B4@***.net...
> > A new stabilizer shock absorber will stop the shimmy:
> >
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...0101&langId=-1
> > When you take the old on off you will if you shake it hear the air that
> > has replaced the fluid that has leaked out. Of course you will still
> > have the problem that set off the shimmy, an out of round tire,
> > alignment: http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/index.as...tech/align.htm
> > worn out parts, like tie rod ends or ball joints, to that steering box
> > you said has too much play.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spark wrote:
> > >
> > > My 98 TJ has developed a bad shimmy in the front end. Usually starts
> > > at about 45 and gos away at 50. I first rebalanced the front tires.
> > > No change. Today I put the rears on the front. It got worse. Now it
> > > starts at 45 and doesn't stop til I slow way down. I put the front
> > > up on jacks and as far as i can tell everything is tight, but a
> > > little play, (back and forth, about a half inch), in the steering
> > > box arm. Is the arm suppose to have a little play in it. I haven't
> > > checked the manual yet to see if there is an adjustment to tighten
> > > up the box. Also, could the damper shock be the cause? I have not
> > > changed that since I've owned it, it might be the original one.Any
> > > thoughts?
08-06-2004, 11:37 AM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ front end shimmy
I just helped a gent do his with new seals last week and if the end play
on the column stub isn't set, the steering wheel will be loose. This
makes the pitman and/or steering shaft stub sloppy.
Those boxes have to be off the vehicle to adjust them. The top preload
adjuster is too touchy to be done with a pitman arm on it. If you do,
it will burn out the box.
It shouldn't have any play.
I would also suspect the steering stabilizer shock as being bad.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410EA99E.92BC50B4@***.net...
> > A new stabilizer shock absorber will stop the shimmy:
> >
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...0101&langId=-1
> > When you take the old on off you will if you shake it hear the air that
> > has replaced the fluid that has leaked out. Of course you will still
> > have the problem that set off the shimmy, an out of round tire,
> > alignment: http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/index.as...tech/align.htm
> > worn out parts, like tie rod ends or ball joints, to that steering box
> > you said has too much play.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spark wrote:
> > >
> > > My 98 TJ has developed a bad shimmy in the front end. Usually starts
> > > at about 45 and gos away at 50. I first rebalanced the front tires.
> > > No change. Today I put the rears on the front. It got worse. Now it
> > > starts at 45 and doesn't stop til I slow way down. I put the front
> > > up on jacks and as far as i can tell everything is tight, but a
> > > little play, (back and forth, about a half inch), in the steering
> > > box arm. Is the arm suppose to have a little play in it. I haven't
> > > checked the manual yet to see if there is an adjustment to tighten
> > > up the box. Also, could the damper shock be the cause? I have not
> > > changed that since I've owned it, it might be the original one.Any
> > > thoughts?
on the column stub isn't set, the steering wheel will be loose. This
makes the pitman and/or steering shaft stub sloppy.
Those boxes have to be off the vehicle to adjust them. The top preload
adjuster is too touchy to be done with a pitman arm on it. If you do,
it will burn out the box.
It shouldn't have any play.
I would also suspect the steering stabilizer shock as being bad.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410EA99E.92BC50B4@***.net...
> > A new stabilizer shock absorber will stop the shimmy:
> >
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...0101&langId=-1
> > When you take the old on off you will if you shake it hear the air that
> > has replaced the fluid that has leaked out. Of course you will still
> > have the problem that set off the shimmy, an out of round tire,
> > alignment: http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/index.as...tech/align.htm
> > worn out parts, like tie rod ends or ball joints, to that steering box
> > you said has too much play.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spark wrote:
> > >
> > > My 98 TJ has developed a bad shimmy in the front end. Usually starts
> > > at about 45 and gos away at 50. I first rebalanced the front tires.
> > > No change. Today I put the rears on the front. It got worse. Now it
> > > starts at 45 and doesn't stop til I slow way down. I put the front
> > > up on jacks and as far as i can tell everything is tight, but a
> > > little play, (back and forth, about a half inch), in the steering
> > > box arm. Is the arm suppose to have a little play in it. I haven't
> > > checked the manual yet to see if there is an adjustment to tighten
> > > up the box. Also, could the damper shock be the cause? I have not
> > > changed that since I've owned it, it might be the original one.Any
> > > thoughts?
08-06-2004, 12:25 PM
#14
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
08-06-2004, 12:25 PM
#15
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
08-06-2004, 12:25 PM
#16
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ front end shimmy
There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
08-06-2004, 12:25 PM
#17
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Spark wrote:
>
> Is there a way to tighten up the steering box? I had an adjuster on some of
> my other vehicles.
08-06-2004, 01:42 PM
#18
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4113B114.6D164F0C@***.net...
> There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
> the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
> the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
The center of the sector is a tighter tolerance fit than off-center in the
box? That's how most RB steering boxes are designed for this very reason.
You really only need it to be a "close fit" in the centered (straight ahead)
position as the "return to center" forces will take up any slop in the
off-centered position when turning.
-Fred
08-06-2004, 01:42 PM
#19
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4113B114.6D164F0C@***.net...
> There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
> the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
> the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
The center of the sector is a tighter tolerance fit than off-center in the
box? That's how most RB steering boxes are designed for this very reason.
You really only need it to be a "close fit" in the centered (straight ahead)
position as the "return to center" forces will take up any slop in the
off-centered position when turning.
-Fred
08-06-2004, 01:42 PM
#20
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Re: TJ front end shimmy
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4113B114.6D164F0C@***.net...
> There is a lock nut and screw bolt at the center of cover to adjust
> the sector against the teeth of the worm piston:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf But, usually taking up
> the slack straight ahead, binds it on turns. You need a new box.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
The center of the sector is a tighter tolerance fit than off-center in the
box? That's how most RB steering boxes are designed for this very reason.
You really only need it to be a "close fit" in the centered (straight ahead)
position as the "return to center" forces will take up any slop in the
off-centered position when turning.
-Fred