TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
#21
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Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
Hi Witek,
The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
but close enough.
They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
differential.
Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
worth considering.
The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
combination of caster and pinion angle.
An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Witek Busse wrote:
> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his 1972
> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to swap
> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana 44 I
> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI, my
> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access to
> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them on,
> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there better
> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will be
> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them on
> to my jeep.
>
> WGB
>
>
The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
but close enough.
They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
differential.
Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
worth considering.
The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
combination of caster and pinion angle.
An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Witek Busse wrote:
> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his 1972
> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to swap
> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana 44 I
> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI, my
> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access to
> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them on,
> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there better
> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will be
> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them on
> to my jeep.
>
> WGB
>
>
#22
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Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
Hi Witek,
The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
but close enough.
They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
differential.
Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
worth considering.
The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
combination of caster and pinion angle.
An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Witek Busse wrote:
> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his 1972
> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to swap
> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana 44 I
> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI, my
> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access to
> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them on,
> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there better
> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will be
> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them on
> to my jeep.
>
> WGB
>
>
The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
but close enough.
They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
differential.
Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
worth considering.
The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
combination of caster and pinion angle.
An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Witek Busse wrote:
> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his 1972
> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to swap
> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana 44 I
> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI, my
> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access to
> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them on,
> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there better
> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will be
> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them on
> to my jeep.
>
> WGB
>
>
#23
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Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
He can drop them (both) and my house for free, and I'll cover all of the
disposal issues, why would he pay you a fee to do the same thing that I'll
do for free? In fact, now that I think about it, there is probably value to
the scrap metal, so I could actually pay him to let me take care of that
trash ...
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:GpBdd.81852$aA1.78330@fe52.usenetserver.com.. .
> I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose
of
> it at my house as well.
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> > drop
> > them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> > news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
> >> 1972
> >> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
> >> swap
> >> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> >> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
> >> 44
> > I
> >> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> >> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> >> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> >> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding
them
> > on,
> >> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> >> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> >> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> >> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting
them
> > on
> >> to my jeep.
> >>
> >> WGB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
disposal issues, why would he pay you a fee to do the same thing that I'll
do for free? In fact, now that I think about it, there is probably value to
the scrap metal, so I could actually pay him to let me take care of that
trash ...
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:GpBdd.81852$aA1.78330@fe52.usenetserver.com.. .
> I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose
of
> it at my house as well.
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> > drop
> > them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> > news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
> >> 1972
> >> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
> >> swap
> >> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> >> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
> >> 44
> > I
> >> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> >> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> >> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> >> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding
them
> > on,
> >> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> >> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> >> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> >> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting
them
> > on
> >> to my jeep.
> >>
> >> WGB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
He can drop them (both) and my house for free, and I'll cover all of the
disposal issues, why would he pay you a fee to do the same thing that I'll
do for free? In fact, now that I think about it, there is probably value to
the scrap metal, so I could actually pay him to let me take care of that
trash ...
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:GpBdd.81852$aA1.78330@fe52.usenetserver.com.. .
> I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose
of
> it at my house as well.
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> > drop
> > them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> > news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
> >> 1972
> >> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
> >> swap
> >> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> >> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
> >> 44
> > I
> >> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> >> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> >> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> >> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding
them
> > on,
> >> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> >> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> >> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> >> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting
them
> > on
> >> to my jeep.
> >>
> >> WGB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
disposal issues, why would he pay you a fee to do the same thing that I'll
do for free? In fact, now that I think about it, there is probably value to
the scrap metal, so I could actually pay him to let me take care of that
trash ...
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:GpBdd.81852$aA1.78330@fe52.usenetserver.com.. .
> I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose
of
> it at my house as well.
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> > drop
> > them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> > news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
> >> 1972
> >> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
> >> swap
> >> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> >> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
> >> 44
> > I
> >> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> >> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> >> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> >> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding
them
> > on,
> >> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> >> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> >> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> >> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting
them
> > on
> >> to my jeep.
> >>
> >> WGB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
He can drop them (both) and my house for free, and I'll cover all of the
disposal issues, why would he pay you a fee to do the same thing that I'll
do for free? In fact, now that I think about it, there is probably value to
the scrap metal, so I could actually pay him to let me take care of that
trash ...
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:GpBdd.81852$aA1.78330@fe52.usenetserver.com.. .
> I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose
of
> it at my house as well.
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> > drop
> > them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> > news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
> >> 1972
> >> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
> >> swap
> >> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> >> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
> >> 44
> > I
> >> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> >> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> >> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> >> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding
them
> > on,
> >> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> >> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> >> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> >> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting
them
> > on
> >> to my jeep.
> >>
> >> WGB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
disposal issues, why would he pay you a fee to do the same thing that I'll
do for free? In fact, now that I think about it, there is probably value to
the scrap metal, so I could actually pay him to let me take care of that
trash ...
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:GpBdd.81852$aA1.78330@fe52.usenetserver.com.. .
> I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose
of
> it at my house as well.
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> > drop
> > them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> > news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
> >> 1972
> >> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
> >> swap
> >> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> >> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
> >> 44
> > I
> >> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> >> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> >> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> >> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding
them
> > on,
> >> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> >> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> >> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> >> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting
them
> > on
> >> to my jeep.
> >>
> >> WGB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
#26
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Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
I had no idea there were so many good reasons to just dump those damn things
at my house ...
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:2to7doF22hclnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Witek,
>
> The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
> but close enough.
>
I think that is the same as my D30/AMC20.
> They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
> 4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
>
I have those already.
> The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
> 30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
> differential.
>
I have the automatic locker already, but it won't fit the D44.
I am not sure it is true that the autolocker won't work in the TJ anyhow. I
have an autolocker in my D30 on a CJ5, and I can't remember the last time I
unlocked my front hubs. As a matter of routine, I keep my front axle in the
same condition as a stock TJ, and the autolocker doesn't cause me any
problems at all.
> Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
> so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
>
> The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
> need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
> 300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
> worth considering.
>
This will work good with my D300.
> The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
> TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
> likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
> combination of caster and pinion angle.
>
The CJ can tolerate this better, and I have a pair of 2° shims ...
> An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
> Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
> but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
>
> Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
>
> http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
>
> Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
>
> http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
>
> If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
> want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
>
> http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
>
> or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Witek Busse wrote:
> > I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44 I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI, my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
at my house ...
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:2to7doF22hclnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Witek,
>
> The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
> but close enough.
>
I think that is the same as my D30/AMC20.
> They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
> 4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
>
I have those already.
> The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
> 30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
> differential.
>
I have the automatic locker already, but it won't fit the D44.
I am not sure it is true that the autolocker won't work in the TJ anyhow. I
have an autolocker in my D30 on a CJ5, and I can't remember the last time I
unlocked my front hubs. As a matter of routine, I keep my front axle in the
same condition as a stock TJ, and the autolocker doesn't cause me any
problems at all.
> Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
> so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
>
> The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
> need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
> 300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
> worth considering.
>
This will work good with my D300.
> The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
> TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
> likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
> combination of caster and pinion angle.
>
The CJ can tolerate this better, and I have a pair of 2° shims ...
> An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
> Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
> but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
>
> Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
>
> http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
>
> Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
>
> http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
>
> If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
> want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
>
> http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
>
> or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Witek Busse wrote:
> > I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44 I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI, my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
#27
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
I had no idea there were so many good reasons to just dump those damn things
at my house ...
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:2to7doF22hclnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Witek,
>
> The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
> but close enough.
>
I think that is the same as my D30/AMC20.
> They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
> 4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
>
I have those already.
> The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
> 30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
> differential.
>
I have the automatic locker already, but it won't fit the D44.
I am not sure it is true that the autolocker won't work in the TJ anyhow. I
have an autolocker in my D30 on a CJ5, and I can't remember the last time I
unlocked my front hubs. As a matter of routine, I keep my front axle in the
same condition as a stock TJ, and the autolocker doesn't cause me any
problems at all.
> Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
> so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
>
> The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
> need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
> 300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
> worth considering.
>
This will work good with my D300.
> The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
> TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
> likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
> combination of caster and pinion angle.
>
The CJ can tolerate this better, and I have a pair of 2° shims ...
> An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
> Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
> but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
>
> Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
>
> http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
>
> Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
>
> http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
>
> If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
> want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
>
> http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
>
> or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Witek Busse wrote:
> > I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44 I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI, my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
at my house ...
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:2to7doF22hclnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Witek,
>
> The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
> but close enough.
>
I think that is the same as my D30/AMC20.
> They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
> 4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
>
I have those already.
> The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
> 30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
> differential.
>
I have the automatic locker already, but it won't fit the D44.
I am not sure it is true that the autolocker won't work in the TJ anyhow. I
have an autolocker in my D30 on a CJ5, and I can't remember the last time I
unlocked my front hubs. As a matter of routine, I keep my front axle in the
same condition as a stock TJ, and the autolocker doesn't cause me any
problems at all.
> Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
> so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
>
> The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
> need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
> 300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
> worth considering.
>
This will work good with my D300.
> The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
> TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
> likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
> combination of caster and pinion angle.
>
The CJ can tolerate this better, and I have a pair of 2° shims ...
> An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
> Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
> but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
>
> Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
>
> http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
>
> Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
>
> http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
>
> If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
> want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
>
> http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
>
> or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Witek Busse wrote:
> > I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44 I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI, my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
I had no idea there were so many good reasons to just dump those damn things
at my house ...
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:2to7doF22hclnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Witek,
>
> The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
> but close enough.
>
I think that is the same as my D30/AMC20.
> They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
> 4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
>
I have those already.
> The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
> 30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
> differential.
>
I have the automatic locker already, but it won't fit the D44.
I am not sure it is true that the autolocker won't work in the TJ anyhow. I
have an autolocker in my D30 on a CJ5, and I can't remember the last time I
unlocked my front hubs. As a matter of routine, I keep my front axle in the
same condition as a stock TJ, and the autolocker doesn't cause me any
problems at all.
> Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
> so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
>
> The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
> need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
> 300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
> worth considering.
>
This will work good with my D300.
> The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
> TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
> likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
> combination of caster and pinion angle.
>
The CJ can tolerate this better, and I have a pair of 2° shims ...
> An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
> Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
> but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
>
> Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
>
> http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
>
> Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
>
> http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
>
> If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
> want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
>
> http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
>
> or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Witek Busse wrote:
> > I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44 I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI, my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
at my house ...
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:2to7doF22hclnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Witek,
>
> The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
> but close enough.
>
I think that is the same as my D30/AMC20.
> They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
> 4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.
>
I have those already.
> The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
> 30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
> differential.
>
I have the automatic locker already, but it won't fit the D44.
I am not sure it is true that the autolocker won't work in the TJ anyhow. I
have an autolocker in my D30 on a CJ5, and I can't remember the last time I
unlocked my front hubs. As a matter of routine, I keep my front axle in the
same condition as a stock TJ, and the autolocker doesn't cause me any
problems at all.
> Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
> so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.
>
> The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
> need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
> 300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
> worth considering.
>
This will work good with my D300.
> The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
> TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
> likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
> combination of caster and pinion angle.
>
The CJ can tolerate this better, and I have a pair of 2° shims ...
> An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
> Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
> but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.
>
> Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:
>
> http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm
>
> Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:
>
> http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm
>
> If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
> want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:
>
> http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm
>
> or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Witek Busse wrote:
> > I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44 I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI, my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
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