Dave Milne

... and then they changed their minds in the TJ FSM and decided it was a good
idea to swap sides :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Snow wrote:
> >
> > My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
> > fore and aft. But they work great.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
> > > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
> > > travel?
> > > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and
a
> > > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
295/75R22.5's.
> > >
> > > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
> > > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
jeep.
> > >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
> > >> something.
> > >>
> > >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
> > >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
> > >>
> > >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
> > >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
> > >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
> > >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
> > >>
> > >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
> > >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
> > >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >

Cherokee-Ltd

Hey Mike,
That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
the fore/aft rotation.

-Brian

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Snow wrote:
>>
>> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
>> fore and aft. But they work great.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
>> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
>> > travel?
>> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
>> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
>> > 295/75R22.5's.
>> >
>> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
>> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
>> >> jeep.
>> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
>> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
>> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
>> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
>> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
>> >>
>> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
>> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
>> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

Cherokee-Ltd

Hey Mike,
That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
the fore/aft rotation.

-Brian

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Snow wrote:
>>
>> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
>> fore and aft. But they work great.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
>> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
>> > travel?
>> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
>> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
>> > 295/75R22.5's.
>> >
>> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
>> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
>> >> jeep.
>> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
>> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
>> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
>> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
>> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
>> >>
>> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
>> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
>> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

Cherokee-Ltd

Hey Mike,
That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
the fore/aft rotation.

-Brian

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Snow wrote:
>>
>> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
>> fore and aft. But they work great.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
>> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
>> > travel?
>> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
>> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
>> > 295/75R22.5's.
>> >
>> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
>> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
>> >> jeep.
>> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
>> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
>> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
>> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
>> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
>> >>
>> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
>> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
>> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

Cherokee-Ltd

Hey Mike,
That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
the fore/aft rotation.

-Brian

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Snow wrote:
>>
>> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
>> fore and aft. But they work great.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
>> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
>> > travel?
>> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
>> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
>> > 295/75R22.5's.
>> >
>> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
>> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
>> >> jeep.
>> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
>> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
>> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
>> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
>> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
>> >>
>> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
>> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
>> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

Mike Romain

I too have been bit 'waaay' too may times to ever cross them. Used to
buy used tires and they were a 50/50 crap shoot whether they exploded or
not....

A couple years ago I tossed out over a half dozen like that and I have
only lived in this house since 91 or so....

Mike

Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
> That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
> from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
> they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
> swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
> the fore/aft rotation.
>
> -Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> > If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> > according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> > cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> > drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Snow wrote:
> >>
> >> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
> >> fore and aft. But they work great.
> >>
> >> Snow...
> >>
> >> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
> >> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
> >> > travel?
> >> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
> >> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
> >> > 295/75R22.5's.
> >> >
> >> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
> >> >> jeep.
> >> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
> >> >> something.
> >> >>
> >> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
> >> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
> >> >>
> >> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
> >> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
> >> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
> >> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
> >> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
> >> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >

Mike Romain

I too have been bit 'waaay' too may times to ever cross them. Used to
buy used tires and they were a 50/50 crap shoot whether they exploded or
not....

A couple years ago I tossed out over a half dozen like that and I have
only lived in this house since 91 or so....

Mike

Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
> That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
> from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
> they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
> swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
> the fore/aft rotation.
>
> -Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> > If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> > according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> > cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> > drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Snow wrote:
> >>
> >> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
> >> fore and aft. But they work great.
> >>
> >> Snow...
> >>
> >> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
> >> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
> >> > travel?
> >> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
> >> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
> >> > 295/75R22.5's.
> >> >
> >> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
> >> >> jeep.
> >> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
> >> >> something.
> >> >>
> >> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
> >> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
> >> >>
> >> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
> >> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
> >> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
> >> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
> >> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
> >> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >

Mike Romain

I too have been bit 'waaay' too may times to ever cross them. Used to
buy used tires and they were a 50/50 crap shoot whether they exploded or
not....

A couple years ago I tossed out over a half dozen like that and I have
only lived in this house since 91 or so....

Mike

Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
> That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
> from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
> they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
> swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
> the fore/aft rotation.
>
> -Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> > If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> > according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> > cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> > drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Snow wrote:
> >>
> >> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
> >> fore and aft. But they work great.
> >>
> >> Snow...
> >>
> >> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
> >> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
> >> > travel?
> >> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
> >> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
> >> > 295/75R22.5's.
> >> >
> >> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
> >> >> jeep.
> >> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
> >> >> something.
> >> >>
> >> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
> >> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
> >> >>
> >> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
> >> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
> >> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
> >> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
> >> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
> >> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >

Mike Romain

I too have been bit 'waaay' too may times to ever cross them. Used to
buy used tires and they were a 50/50 crap shoot whether they exploded or
not....

A couple years ago I tossed out over a half dozen like that and I have
only lived in this house since 91 or so....

Mike

Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
> That's not specific to Jeep. The tires both you Jeeps were equipped with
> from factory (radials) didn't respond well to changes in direction after
> they were broken in. Today's radials claim to have no memory and can be
> swapped left to right with no ill effects... so they claim. I still prefer
> the fore/aft rotation.
>
> -Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4276260A.58856B5A@sympatico.ca...
> > If you drive a Jeep, that is the only 'proper' way to rotate the tires
> > according to both of my owners manuals. They specifically say do not
> > cross them and for a 5 tire rotation, the spare goes to the RR or main
> > drive wheel with the RF going to the spare.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Snow wrote:
> >>
> >> My snow tires are directional, its a pain in that I can only rotate them
> >> fore and aft. But they work great.
> >>
> >> Snow...
> >>
> >> "David Rhodes" <davidrhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3idde.2571$6q1.1453@trnddc09...
> >> > Are their arrows on the side of the tires to indicate a direction of
> >> > travel?
> >> > I know large trucks use this new type of tire and there is a left and a
> >> > right tire for the front axle. They are big tires though,
> >> > 295/75R22.5's.
> >> >
> >> > "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:YMcde.875$Yg4.385@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
> >> >> jeep.
> >> >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
> >> >> something.
> >> >>
> >> >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
> >> >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
> >> >>
> >> >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
> >> >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
> >> >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
> >> >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
> >> >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
> >> >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >

Jeff Strickland

You're not getting it. The tires are not actually different. If they were
directional, they would actually have a tread design - body design really -
that would demand the tire be on a particular side of the vehicle. But if
the tires had a pattern to them, then the pattern would appear to be biased
to the front on one side of the car, and biased to the rear on the other
side of the car. Directional tires would all be biased to the rear.

Take a look at the factory rims that come on lots of GM products. The rims
will have spokes that point to the front on one side and to the rear on the
other side. If the rims are switched from one side to the other, they still
point the same way because if you laid them all on the ground side by side,
you would see they all point the same way. This guy is seeing the same thing
in his tire tread.




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42762936.E191A611@sympatico.ca...
> LOL!
>
> Ok so which way am I going to drive today then eh? Do I flip the rims
> because I will mostly be making right turns today or put them on the
> other way because the route is mostly left turns?
>
> That makes absolutely no sense at all Jeff unless these are oval track
> tires or something.
>
> How about a brand name for these stupid tires so we all can avoid them?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > No Mike. The tires are all the same, but when mounted on the Left, they
> > appear to point frontwards and when mounted on the Right they look like
they
> > point backwards. The tires are NOT directional, this is why they don't
point
> > the "right" way on both sides of the car.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42755C98.A80DD3ED@sympatico.ca...
> > > Umm, they are making a ton of performance directional tires these
days.
> > > It really sounds like one set is on backward.
> > >
> > > If you look on the side there will be an arrow if the tires are
> > > directional.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Phil Schuman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> One of our cars happen to have a flat today. We have mitsubishi +
jeep.
> > >> After taking it to the local shop for a test & mount, I noticed
> > >> something.
> > >>
> > >> It appears that when they mount the tires on the wheels,
> > >> the tread pattern is not the same on the left & right.
> > >>
> > >> In other words, let's say the tread "points" to the rear on the left,
> > >> but it "points" to the front on the right side.
> > >> I could see where there might be "lettering" only on one side,
> > >> but on pure blackwalls, it just seemed odd...
> > >>
> > >> I guess the tires are mounted on all wheels the exact same way,
> > >> and therefore two of them are "reversed" depending
> > >> upon which side of the car it is mounted...