It's a little more difficult than that, we climb Palomar Mountain,
from the Indian reservation at about five hundred feet to over five
thousand in less than three
miles.http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
Thanks for letting me see your pictures again.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!
>
> Man you 'southern' folks!
>
> 3" of powder.... LOL!
>
> Crap when I am plowing the front bumper, I still won't go for chains.
>
> I run on that but in slush, deep in places with glass ice under.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291929351
>
> The best part of that run was a stock TJ with stock Goodyear's that was
> the only one 'not' on the receiving end of a strap or winch...
>
> Mike

 

Well!

Consider me duely flogged for my ignorance! ;-)

I haven't ever done any trails in snow. So I am not too sure what to
expect. And, last year's blizzard here in Denver was not just the most
snow I've ever seen personally, but also my first true winter anywhere
where snow actually falls (I just moved to Denver from Texas last
year). So, after 4 feet of snow fell in < 48 hrs, and I could no
longer bust out of the neighborhood (I could still make it out after
2+ feet had fallen), I decided that maybe I needed to invest in chains
"in case this ever happens again, so I'll really be
unstoppable"...lol. Maybe I just need to accept that no one in their
right mind can get out in a blizzard that just dumped 4' of snow.
Nevermind where I possibly thought I was gonna go if I made it out...

Please just forget I asked! =)

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<vs557l7osum800@corp.supernews.com>...
> Boy! Talk about "protected living." I have never seen chains on the trail,
> let alone on a 4x4.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3FC28550.90F43F38@sympatico.ca...
> > I'll second that. Chains are bad news on trails, summer or winter. I
> > have also had the misery of being behind someone with chains.... After
> > 3 pulls, I told him to either let me pass or take the damn chains off...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Our group went on a snow ride last winter in about 2-3' of packed snow.
> The
> > > guys with chains would dig down till they bottomed-out and would then be
> > > stuck. Us guys with lockers (no chains) would float across the top and
> keep
> > > going.
> > >
> > > --
> > > JimG
> > > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > > LockRight F&R
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0311241210.6809fac3@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I have to agree. These 12.5 MT tires suck on ice. They're ok in snow
> > > > (when the tread is still reasonably deep on them).
> > > >
> > > > I currently don't have the funds (or the desire to store all those
> > > > extra tires) to go out and buy a whole extra set of tires for the
> > > > winter, and I like my 12.5 tires for both how they perform off-road,
> > > > and just as much for how they look (so, for those of you who would
> > > > tell me that the narrower 9.5 or 10.5 tires would work as well
> > > > off-road, I say I don't care...they don't look as good on my Jeep!).
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I thought maybe having at least one pair of chains on-hand
> > > > for that off-chance emergency situation might be a good way to
> > > > compensate for my wide-patch high-flotation tires, as well as for if I
> > > > wanted to do any snowbusting in the winter sometime.
> > > >
> > > > /Bob
> > > > 1997 TJ
> > > >
> > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> news:<kAmwb.20191$Fv8.9561@twister01.bloor.is.net. cable.rogers.com>...
> > > > > I can't help you with info on chains but I would suggest that you
> consider
> > > > > narrower rubber for winter... 35 years in the great white north,
> 110,000
> > > > > mi/yr for the last 10 years and I've never used chains. Wide rubber
> floats
> > > > > and is your last choice for inclement weather.
> > > > > -Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:47b769ae.0311232347.1f22c706@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > : I was just wondering what brand or styles or whatever of tire
> chains
> > > > > : that people on this forum might suggest. I have 33x12.5 tires, and
> > > > > : intend to continue running this size of tire for quite some time
> in
> > > > > : the future.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : In particular, there's a place nearby that's doing a special on
> > > > > : "Weissenfel" brand of tire chains right now. Are these good?
> > > > > :
> > > > > : I want a set of chains that will work on very inclement weather
> roads,
> > > > > : but would also work off-road on the off-chance I decide to try
> > > > > : winter-offroading this year or next year.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : Thanks for suggestions.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : /Bob

 

Well!

Consider me duely flogged for my ignorance! ;-)

I haven't ever done any trails in snow. So I am not too sure what to
expect. And, last year's blizzard here in Denver was not just the most
snow I've ever seen personally, but also my first true winter anywhere
where snow actually falls (I just moved to Denver from Texas last
year). So, after 4 feet of snow fell in < 48 hrs, and I could no
longer bust out of the neighborhood (I could still make it out after
2+ feet had fallen), I decided that maybe I needed to invest in chains
"in case this ever happens again, so I'll really be
unstoppable"...lol. Maybe I just need to accept that no one in their
right mind can get out in a blizzard that just dumped 4' of snow.
Nevermind where I possibly thought I was gonna go if I made it out...

Please just forget I asked! =)

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<vs557l7osum800@corp.supernews.com>...
> Boy! Talk about "protected living." I have never seen chains on the trail,
> let alone on a 4x4.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3FC28550.90F43F38@sympatico.ca...
> > I'll second that. Chains are bad news on trails, summer or winter. I
> > have also had the misery of being behind someone with chains.... After
> > 3 pulls, I told him to either let me pass or take the damn chains off...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Our group went on a snow ride last winter in about 2-3' of packed snow.
> The
> > > guys with chains would dig down till they bottomed-out and would then be
> > > stuck. Us guys with lockers (no chains) would float across the top and
> keep
> > > going.
> > >
> > > --
> > > JimG
> > > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > > LockRight F&R
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0311241210.6809fac3@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I have to agree. These 12.5 MT tires suck on ice. They're ok in snow
> > > > (when the tread is still reasonably deep on them).
> > > >
> > > > I currently don't have the funds (or the desire to store all those
> > > > extra tires) to go out and buy a whole extra set of tires for the
> > > > winter, and I like my 12.5 tires for both how they perform off-road,
> > > > and just as much for how they look (so, for those of you who would
> > > > tell me that the narrower 9.5 or 10.5 tires would work as well
> > > > off-road, I say I don't care...they don't look as good on my Jeep!).
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I thought maybe having at least one pair of chains on-hand
> > > > for that off-chance emergency situation might be a good way to
> > > > compensate for my wide-patch high-flotation tires, as well as for if I
> > > > wanted to do any snowbusting in the winter sometime.
> > > >
> > > > /Bob
> > > > 1997 TJ
> > > >
> > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> news:<kAmwb.20191$Fv8.9561@twister01.bloor.is.net. cable.rogers.com>...
> > > > > I can't help you with info on chains but I would suggest that you
> consider
> > > > > narrower rubber for winter... 35 years in the great white north,
> 110,000
> > > > > mi/yr for the last 10 years and I've never used chains. Wide rubber
> floats
> > > > > and is your last choice for inclement weather.
> > > > > -Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:47b769ae.0311232347.1f22c706@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > : I was just wondering what brand or styles or whatever of tire
> chains
> > > > > : that people on this forum might suggest. I have 33x12.5 tires, and
> > > > > : intend to continue running this size of tire for quite some time
> in
> > > > > : the future.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : In particular, there's a place nearby that's doing a special on
> > > > > : "Weissenfel" brand of tire chains right now. Are these good?
> > > > > :
> > > > > : I want a set of chains that will work on very inclement weather
> roads,
> > > > > : but would also work off-road on the off-chance I decide to try
> > > > > : winter-offroading this year or next year.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : Thanks for suggestions.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : /Bob

 

Well!

Consider me duely flogged for my ignorance! ;-)

I haven't ever done any trails in snow. So I am not too sure what to
expect. And, last year's blizzard here in Denver was not just the most
snow I've ever seen personally, but also my first true winter anywhere
where snow actually falls (I just moved to Denver from Texas last
year). So, after 4 feet of snow fell in < 48 hrs, and I could no
longer bust out of the neighborhood (I could still make it out after
2+ feet had fallen), I decided that maybe I needed to invest in chains
"in case this ever happens again, so I'll really be
unstoppable"...lol. Maybe I just need to accept that no one in their
right mind can get out in a blizzard that just dumped 4' of snow.
Nevermind where I possibly thought I was gonna go if I made it out...

Please just forget I asked! =)

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<vs557l7osum800@corp.supernews.com>...
> Boy! Talk about "protected living." I have never seen chains on the trail,
> let alone on a 4x4.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3FC28550.90F43F38@sympatico.ca...
> > I'll second that. Chains are bad news on trails, summer or winter. I
> > have also had the misery of being behind someone with chains.... After
> > 3 pulls, I told him to either let me pass or take the damn chains off...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Our group went on a snow ride last winter in about 2-3' of packed snow.
> The
> > > guys with chains would dig down till they bottomed-out and would then be
> > > stuck. Us guys with lockers (no chains) would float across the top and
> keep
> > > going.
> > >
> > > --
> > > JimG
> > > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > > LockRight F&R
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0311241210.6809fac3@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I have to agree. These 12.5 MT tires suck on ice. They're ok in snow
> > > > (when the tread is still reasonably deep on them).
> > > >
> > > > I currently don't have the funds (or the desire to store all those
> > > > extra tires) to go out and buy a whole extra set of tires for the
> > > > winter, and I like my 12.5 tires for both how they perform off-road,
> > > > and just as much for how they look (so, for those of you who would
> > > > tell me that the narrower 9.5 or 10.5 tires would work as well
> > > > off-road, I say I don't care...they don't look as good on my Jeep!).
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I thought maybe having at least one pair of chains on-hand
> > > > for that off-chance emergency situation might be a good way to
> > > > compensate for my wide-patch high-flotation tires, as well as for if I
> > > > wanted to do any snowbusting in the winter sometime.
> > > >
> > > > /Bob
> > > > 1997 TJ
> > > >
> > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> news:<kAmwb.20191$Fv8.9561@twister01.bloor.is.net. cable.rogers.com>...
> > > > > I can't help you with info on chains but I would suggest that you
> consider
> > > > > narrower rubber for winter... 35 years in the great white north,
> 110,000
> > > > > mi/yr for the last 10 years and I've never used chains. Wide rubber
> floats
> > > > > and is your last choice for inclement weather.
> > > > > -Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:47b769ae.0311232347.1f22c706@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > : I was just wondering what brand or styles or whatever of tire
> chains
> > > > > : that people on this forum might suggest. I have 33x12.5 tires, and
> > > > > : intend to continue running this size of tire for quite some time
> in
> > > > > : the future.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : In particular, there's a place nearby that's doing a special on
> > > > > : "Weissenfel" brand of tire chains right now. Are these good?
> > > > > :
> > > > > : I want a set of chains that will work on very inclement weather
> roads,
> > > > > : but would also work off-road on the off-chance I decide to try
> > > > > : winter-offroading this year or next year.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : Thanks for suggestions.
> > > > > :
> > > > > : /Bob

 

Four foot, that's scary, I'd go lock stock raven mad, I'd make Jack
look sane in the Shinning.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob wrote:
>
> Well!
>
> Consider me duely flogged for my ignorance! ;-)
>
> I haven't ever done any trails in snow. So I am not too sure what to
> expect. And, last year's blizzard here in Denver was not just the most
> snow I've ever seen personally, but also my first true winter anywhere
> where snow actually falls (I just moved to Denver from Texas last
> year). So, after 4 feet of snow fell in < 48 hrs, and I could no
> longer bust out of the neighborhood (I could still make it out after
> 2+ feet had fallen), I decided that maybe I needed to invest in chains
> "in case this ever happens again, so I'll really be
> unstoppable"...lol. Maybe I just need to accept that no one in their
> right mind can get out in a blizzard that just dumped 4' of snow.
> Nevermind where I possibly thought I was gonna go if I made it out...
>
> Please just forget I asked! =)

 

Four foot, that's scary, I'd go lock stock raven mad, I'd make Jack
look sane in the Shinning.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob wrote:
>
> Well!
>
> Consider me duely flogged for my ignorance! ;-)
>
> I haven't ever done any trails in snow. So I am not too sure what to
> expect. And, last year's blizzard here in Denver was not just the most
> snow I've ever seen personally, but also my first true winter anywhere
> where snow actually falls (I just moved to Denver from Texas last
> year). So, after 4 feet of snow fell in < 48 hrs, and I could no
> longer bust out of the neighborhood (I could still make it out after
> 2+ feet had fallen), I decided that maybe I needed to invest in chains
> "in case this ever happens again, so I'll really be
> unstoppable"...lol. Maybe I just need to accept that no one in their
> right mind can get out in a blizzard that just dumped 4' of snow.
> Nevermind where I possibly thought I was gonna go if I made it out...
>
> Please just forget I asked! =)

 

Four foot, that's scary, I'd go lock stock raven mad, I'd make Jack
look sane in the Shinning.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob wrote:
>
> Well!
>
> Consider me duely flogged for my ignorance! ;-)
>
> I haven't ever done any trails in snow. So I am not too sure what to
> expect. And, last year's blizzard here in Denver was not just the most
> snow I've ever seen personally, but also my first true winter anywhere
> where snow actually falls (I just moved to Denver from Texas last
> year). So, after 4 feet of snow fell in < 48 hrs, and I could no
> longer bust out of the neighborhood (I could still make it out after
> 2+ feet had fallen), I decided that maybe I needed to invest in chains
> "in case this ever happens again, so I'll really be
> unstoppable"...lol. Maybe I just need to accept that no one in their
> right mind can get out in a blizzard that just dumped 4' of snow.
> Nevermind where I possibly thought I was gonna go if I made it out...
>
> Please just forget I asked! =)

 

You already do! ;)

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Four foot, that's scary, I'd go lock stock raven mad, I'd make Jack
> look sane in the Shinning.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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You already do! ;)

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Four foot, that's scary, I'd go lock stock raven mad, I'd make Jack
> look sane in the Shinning.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

 

You already do! ;)

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Four foot, that's scary, I'd go lock stock raven mad, I'd make Jack
> look sane in the Shinning.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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