Timing 80 degrees off?!?
01-01-2006, 10:44 PM
#21
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
Nah, I meant "expensive" because I'm gonna wind up having to build a
bracket racer engine for the T/A out of this one and put the other in the
Jeep:) Gawd knows how much I'll dip into to do that and It'll take a lot
longer than a day. Haha!
Drink
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Drink did pass the time by typing:
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine,
>> I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed
>> the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>
> Only if it slips far enough to cut the cover and drop oil. :)
>
> Dunno about your application but replacing the HB on my 4.0 only took
> part of a day. http://revbeergoggles.com/hb/
>
> Fairly easy but having the right tools is a necessity. I could have
> done it without removing the radiator if they had an installation tool
> that was about 2" shorter. :/
bracket racer engine for the T/A out of this one and put the other in the
Jeep:) Gawd knows how much I'll dip into to do that and It'll take a lot
longer than a day. Haha!
Drink
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:2H0uf.36618$---.6492@dukeread07...
> Drink did pass the time by typing:
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine,
>> I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed
>> the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>
> Only if it slips far enough to cut the cover and drop oil. :)
>
> Dunno about your application but replacing the HB on my 4.0 only took
> part of a day. http://revbeergoggles.com/hb/
>
> Fairly easy but having the right tools is a necessity. I could have
> done it without removing the radiator if they had an installation tool
> that was about 2" shorter. :/
01-01-2006, 10:44 PM
#22
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
Nah, I meant "expensive" because I'm gonna wind up having to build a
bracket racer engine for the T/A out of this one and put the other in the
Jeep:) Gawd knows how much I'll dip into to do that and It'll take a lot
longer than a day. Haha!
Drink
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:2H0uf.36618$---.6492@dukeread07...
> Drink did pass the time by typing:
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine,
>> I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed
>> the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>
> Only if it slips far enough to cut the cover and drop oil. :)
>
> Dunno about your application but replacing the HB on my 4.0 only took
> part of a day. http://revbeergoggles.com/hb/
>
> Fairly easy but having the right tools is a necessity. I could have
> done it without removing the radiator if they had an installation tool
> that was about 2" shorter. :/
bracket racer engine for the T/A out of this one and put the other in the
Jeep:) Gawd knows how much I'll dip into to do that and It'll take a lot
longer than a day. Haha!
Drink
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:2H0uf.36618$---.6492@dukeread07...
> Drink did pass the time by typing:
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine,
>> I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed
>> the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>
> Only if it slips far enough to cut the cover and drop oil. :)
>
> Dunno about your application but replacing the HB on my 4.0 only took
> part of a day. http://revbeergoggles.com/hb/
>
> Fairly easy but having the right tools is a necessity. I could have
> done it without removing the radiator if they had an installation tool
> that was about 2" shorter. :/
01-02-2006, 06:05 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
'77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
available, too.
Dan
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Drink wrote:
>>
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine, I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>> I've got an '87 350 that should come out of the machinist' soon. I was
>> planning on eventually putting it and a 218 LT4 hot cam under the TPI (and
>> maybe a ported set of 186 fuelie heads) into the Jeep. Now, if I can get
>> the other motor back.
>> The sooner I can get the other block back, the sooner I can build up a
>> Trans Am and take it to the track instead of... Ahhh, who am I kiddin'?!
>> I'll still have fun with the Jeep and throw big, flumpy clods off-road!
>> But, I'll just drive one while working on the other. This is gonna be cool.
>> Oh, and Bill, I promise I won't make the Jeep any faster; no stroker cranks,
>> no nitrous, no 14:1 forged pistons. I couldn't put any more horses to the
>> dirt. Haha!
>>
>> P.S. Hey Bill, I promised you a photo back before I put it together. I'm
>> almost done with the bugs so I'm sending you a couple photos via e-mail. It
>> turned out more than sweet and you gotta see this; I think you'll be able to
>> appreciate it! If anybody else's curious, let me know and I'll forward.
>> Drink
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
'77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
available, too.
Dan
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Drink wrote:
>>
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine, I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>> I've got an '87 350 that should come out of the machinist' soon. I was
>> planning on eventually putting it and a 218 LT4 hot cam under the TPI (and
>> maybe a ported set of 186 fuelie heads) into the Jeep. Now, if I can get
>> the other motor back.
>> The sooner I can get the other block back, the sooner I can build up a
>> Trans Am and take it to the track instead of... Ahhh, who am I kiddin'?!
>> I'll still have fun with the Jeep and throw big, flumpy clods off-road!
>> But, I'll just drive one while working on the other. This is gonna be cool.
>> Oh, and Bill, I promise I won't make the Jeep any faster; no stroker cranks,
>> no nitrous, no 14:1 forged pistons. I couldn't put any more horses to the
>> dirt. Haha!
>>
>> P.S. Hey Bill, I promised you a photo back before I put it together. I'm
>> almost done with the bugs so I'm sending you a couple photos via e-mail. It
>> turned out more than sweet and you gotta see this; I think you'll be able to
>> appreciate it! If anybody else's curious, let me know and I'll forward.
>> Drink
01-02-2006, 06:05 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
'77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
available, too.
Dan
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Drink wrote:
>>
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine, I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>> I've got an '87 350 that should come out of the machinist' soon. I was
>> planning on eventually putting it and a 218 LT4 hot cam under the TPI (and
>> maybe a ported set of 186 fuelie heads) into the Jeep. Now, if I can get
>> the other motor back.
>> The sooner I can get the other block back, the sooner I can build up a
>> Trans Am and take it to the track instead of... Ahhh, who am I kiddin'?!
>> I'll still have fun with the Jeep and throw big, flumpy clods off-road!
>> But, I'll just drive one while working on the other. This is gonna be cool.
>> Oh, and Bill, I promise I won't make the Jeep any faster; no stroker cranks,
>> no nitrous, no 14:1 forged pistons. I couldn't put any more horses to the
>> dirt. Haha!
>>
>> P.S. Hey Bill, I promised you a photo back before I put it together. I'm
>> almost done with the bugs so I'm sending you a couple photos via e-mail. It
>> turned out more than sweet and you gotta see this; I think you'll be able to
>> appreciate it! If anybody else's curious, let me know and I'll forward.
>> Drink
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
'77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
available, too.
Dan
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Drink wrote:
>>
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine, I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>> I've got an '87 350 that should come out of the machinist' soon. I was
>> planning on eventually putting it and a 218 LT4 hot cam under the TPI (and
>> maybe a ported set of 186 fuelie heads) into the Jeep. Now, if I can get
>> the other motor back.
>> The sooner I can get the other block back, the sooner I can build up a
>> Trans Am and take it to the track instead of... Ahhh, who am I kiddin'?!
>> I'll still have fun with the Jeep and throw big, flumpy clods off-road!
>> But, I'll just drive one while working on the other. This is gonna be cool.
>> Oh, and Bill, I promise I won't make the Jeep any faster; no stroker cranks,
>> no nitrous, no 14:1 forged pistons. I couldn't put any more horses to the
>> dirt. Haha!
>>
>> P.S. Hey Bill, I promised you a photo back before I put it together. I'm
>> almost done with the bugs so I'm sending you a couple photos via e-mail. It
>> turned out more than sweet and you gotta see this; I think you'll be able to
>> appreciate it! If anybody else's curious, let me know and I'll forward.
>> Drink
01-02-2006, 06:05 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
'77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
available, too.
Dan
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Drink wrote:
>>
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine, I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>> I've got an '87 350 that should come out of the machinist' soon. I was
>> planning on eventually putting it and a 218 LT4 hot cam under the TPI (and
>> maybe a ported set of 186 fuelie heads) into the Jeep. Now, if I can get
>> the other motor back.
>> The sooner I can get the other block back, the sooner I can build up a
>> Trans Am and take it to the track instead of... Ahhh, who am I kiddin'?!
>> I'll still have fun with the Jeep and throw big, flumpy clods off-road!
>> But, I'll just drive one while working on the other. This is gonna be cool.
>> Oh, and Bill, I promise I won't make the Jeep any faster; no stroker cranks,
>> no nitrous, no 14:1 forged pistons. I couldn't put any more horses to the
>> dirt. Haha!
>>
>> P.S. Hey Bill, I promised you a photo back before I put it together. I'm
>> almost done with the bugs so I'm sending you a couple photos via e-mail. It
>> turned out more than sweet and you gotta see this; I think you'll be able to
>> appreciate it! If anybody else's curious, let me know and I'll forward.
>> Drink
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
'77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
available, too.
Dan
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Drink wrote:
>>
>> Nailed it. Went back out to take a second gander with a clear, logical
>> head. Looking at the harmonic balancer from the underside of the engine, I
>> can see that the outer ring's slipped, most definitely. Looks like the
>> outer has slipped backwards off the inner about 3/4" and barely scrubbed the
>> timing chain cover. This could get expensive...
>> I've got an '87 350 that should come out of the machinist' soon. I was
>> planning on eventually putting it and a 218 LT4 hot cam under the TPI (and
>> maybe a ported set of 186 fuelie heads) into the Jeep. Now, if I can get
>> the other motor back.
>> The sooner I can get the other block back, the sooner I can build up a
>> Trans Am and take it to the track instead of... Ahhh, who am I kiddin'?!
>> I'll still have fun with the Jeep and throw big, flumpy clods off-road!
>> But, I'll just drive one while working on the other. This is gonna be cool.
>> Oh, and Bill, I promise I won't make the Jeep any faster; no stroker cranks,
>> no nitrous, no 14:1 forged pistons. I couldn't put any more horses to the
>> dirt. Haha!
>>
>> P.S. Hey Bill, I promised you a photo back before I put it together. I'm
>> almost done with the bugs so I'm sending you a couple photos via e-mail. It
>> turned out more than sweet and you gotta see this; I think you'll be able to
>> appreciate it! If anybody else's curious, let me know and I'll forward.
>> Drink
01-02-2006, 06:48 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
That may be the difference between us. I like to be King of the
Hill: http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
Hootowl wrote:
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
>
> Dan
Hill: http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
Hootowl wrote:
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
>
> Dan
01-02-2006, 06:48 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
That may be the difference between us. I like to be King of the
Hill: http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
Hootowl wrote:
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
>
> Dan
Hill: http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
Hootowl wrote:
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
>
> Dan
01-02-2006, 06:48 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
That may be the difference between us. I like to be King of the
Hill: http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
Hootowl wrote:
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
>
> Dan
Hill: http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/balancer.jpg
Hootowl wrote:
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
>
> Dan
01-02-2006, 06:57 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
Hootowl wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>
>>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
Chevy harmonic balancers are the same for 283, 305 and 350. Get one
from a boneyard. I had to replace one on a 305 and found out that
they are the same. Mine had separated and cut into the timing chain cover.
All I could get was chromed. That looked funny on an old beater car.
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>
>>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
Chevy harmonic balancers are the same for 283, 305 and 350. Get one
from a boneyard. I had to replace one on a 305 and found out that
they are the same. Mine had separated and cut into the timing chain cover.
All I could get was chromed. That looked funny on an old beater car.
01-02-2006, 06:57 PM
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Re: Timing 80 degrees off?!?
Hootowl wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>
>>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
Chevy harmonic balancers are the same for 283, 305 and 350. Get one
from a boneyard. I had to replace one on a 305 and found out that
they are the same. Mine had separated and cut into the timing chain cover.
All I could get was chromed. That looked funny on an old beater car.
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:55:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Replace the balancer, it really is critical in keeping the crank
>
>>from breaking, that's why the get three hundred bucks for them.
>
> 300 bucks for a harmonic balancer???? From where? Do they wear ski
> masks and tote guns? Unless it's a LOT different from the one on my
> '77 Cherokee, that's highway robbery! Have they changed? And nearly
> all of the ones in salvage yards are perfectly good. (That's where I
> got my current one, five years ago.) And rebuilt ones are probably
> available, too.
Chevy harmonic balancers are the same for 283, 305 and 350. Get one
from a boneyard. I had to replace one on a 305 and found out that
they are the same. Mine had separated and cut into the timing chain cover.
All I could get was chromed. That looked funny on an old beater car.
