T. Greening

I've been on both sides of the buy/sell deal and all I can say, and please
don't take this wrong, but from what you've said here you seem to have acted
the "----" practically from the get go. The guy may have been late but he
doesn't owe you anything. Neither do you owe him. Once agreements are made
then things change, if a person's word is worth anything that is. Buying
and selling is all about negotiation, not deMANDING, which from your
description is what you did. Frankly, if I was the buddy or the seller, I'd
have been ticked as well and probably told you to pound salt. You need to
chill a little dude. A late phone call is not being jerked around. It
certainly isn't the most curtious way to operate but such is life.

On a more practical note, you might want to rethink the chrome grill cover.
Chrome pieces like that have a nasty habit of wanting to rust, plus they
have the even nastier habit of trapping moisture behind them and "gasp!"
causing the jeep part behind them to rust. THAT is unforgivable.

Hopefully it will still work out for you. Good luck with it.


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > I think you did the right thing, special when part of the sale is
> >continent on an un seen top.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
> Update: (please excuse the language but I'm pissed off right now)
>
> The owner of the Jeep called me on my cell phone. I hadn't even
> talked to him previously. Only his friend who was 10 minutes late to
> meet me and then over 3 hours late in calling me about the Jeep.
> Apparently he got my # from his buddy who I met earlier today. The
> one who called over 3 hours late. He tried to whine some. He
> started in about how much he paid for the grille and blah blah it
> wasn't his fault his friend called me so late... *tap tap* "Is this
> thing on?" *tap tap* NOT MY PROBLEM, BUDDY. To make a long story
> very short I said.... AGAIN. "I don't like to be jerked around.
> $3200 is my final offer WITH the hard top AFTER I inspect it AND that
> offer includes the fancy chrome grille. And by the way I was ready to
> pay $3500 for it, but I'm not even going to pay that much for it now.
> YOU call me back when you're ready to sell it for $3200. Jeep,
> hard-top (after I check it out), and fancy chrome grille. BIATCH."
> Wow. Now I see why these guys are friends. For some reason this dude
> got pissed off, too. But... For some reason he insisted on leaving
> his phone number and his cell phone number with me before hanging up.
> Like he thought I'd call him back begging to buy his Jeep. Hmm... I
> wonder how mad he's gonna get when he calls me back after I don't call
> him and he tells me he'll sell it for $3200 the way I want it and I
> tell him he has to deliver it to me and that I'll only pay him $3000
> for it now. I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> on...
>
> >travis wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, I was supposed to get a call back by 6:30, over three hours ago on
> >> the CJ-7. I just now got the call. The guy said the owner accepted
> >> my offer of $3200 but wanted to keep the chrome front grille. I told
> >> him I was disgusted that he called 3 hours late and that my final
> >> offer of $3200 stood and I wanted the chrome grille, too, and also
> >> wanted to see the hard-top first that they claimed came with the Jeep
> >> which was NOT there earlier when I looked at it. I said something
> >> about not liking to be "jerked around" and apparently he took offense
> >> at that. Too bad. I was ready to buy the Jeep. They were not as
> >> serious as I was. I'm still willing to buy it, but only on my own
> >> terms. I told him to tel lhis friend (the owner) "$3200, WITH the
> >> grille AND I want to see/inspect the hard-top now before handing any
> >> cash over." He was PISSED OFF to say the least. I don't expect to
> >> hear back from him. Oh well, there are plenty of Jeeps like that one
> >> for sale. This will just give me a chance to be more objective about
> >> the whole thing and maybe I'll get lucky and wind up with a better
> >> deal. :-/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Travis
> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> >> :wq!
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

travis

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:58:52 GMT, "T. Greening"
<tgreening@NOSPAMneo.rr.com> shared the following:

>I've been on both sides of the buy/sell deal and all I can say, and please
>don't take this wrong, but from what you've said here you seem to have acted
>the "----" practically from the get go.

I don't take it the wrong way. When I typed up the post below I was
in a really bad mood and I can see it made me look badly. I *do* need
to relax some about this, like Nathan said. It's just that I was all
built up and excited about getting a Jeep only to be let down in the
final hours. I wasn't "the ----" from the start, though . I showed up
on time to see the vehicle even though the other guy didn't, and
followed him about 20 miles out into the country to take a look at a
Jeep that I hadn't even seen yet. It wasn't until I sat here waiting
over three hours passed the time the guy told me he'd call me that I
started getting into a bad frame of mind. :-/

> The guy may have been late but he
>doesn't owe you anything. Neither do you owe him. Once agreements are made
>then things change, if a person's word is worth anything that is. Buying
>and selling is all about negotiation, not deMANDING, which from your
>description is what you did.

You're right. I just wish the guy had taken 3 minutes to give me a
quick call on my cell phone (he had my home and cell phone number with
him) and say "Hey, I'm running really late and don't expect to be home
by 6 like I said earlier. I may not even get in touch with you again
unti tomorrow." That would have been a disappointment, but I could
have dealt with that. He didn't "owe" me a little common courtesy but
it sure would have gone a long way. Still no excuse for me busting a
gasket, though.

> Frankly, if I was the buddy or the seller, I'd
>have been ticked as well and probably told you to pound salt. You need to
>chill a little dude. A late phone call is not being jerked around. It
>certainly isn't the most curtious way to operate but such is life.

Yeah, the over-three-hour-late phone call was just kinda rude. The
last minute "Oh, I know you made an offer on what you saw...and I
accept that offer...but I'm going to remove a part (chrome grill) now
and not include it with the vehicle" <---- That part was a
"jerk-around" in my book. Something like a "bait-and-switch."

>
>On a more practical note, you might want to rethink the chrome grill cover.
>Chrome pieces like that have a nasty habit of wanting to rust, plus they
>have the even nastier habit of trapping moisture behind them and "gasp!"
>causing the jeep part behind them to rust. THAT is unforgivable.
>
>Hopefully it will still work out for you. Good luck with it.

Hmm...just a cover, huh? You know what? I was thinking it was the
whole grill itself. Like it had been replaced with a chrome one. I
didn't look at it closely when I was there. I'm not really interested
in chrome. I was thinking he was saying he was basically going to
remove the front grille. But hmm....you probably can't even do that
and still have support for the headlights, huh? Anway, thanks to you
guys for the responses and thanks for being straight with me. I get
edgy sometimes and run off at the mouth. Just tell me to shut up
every now and then and I won't take it the wrong way. I need to learn
to be a little less high-strung. The guy said he wanted the ad to run
through Sunday and I have a feeling that at that time he may call me
back. If I don't have a solid deal lined up (unlikely) on another
Jeep by then, then I'll try to deal with him a little more rationally.
Thanks again for the advice, y'all.



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:58:52 GMT, "T. Greening"
<tgreening@NOSPAMneo.rr.com> shared the following:

>I've been on both sides of the buy/sell deal and all I can say, and please
>don't take this wrong, but from what you've said here you seem to have acted
>the "----" practically from the get go.

I don't take it the wrong way. When I typed up the post below I was
in a really bad mood and I can see it made me look badly. I *do* need
to relax some about this, like Nathan said. It's just that I was all
built up and excited about getting a Jeep only to be let down in the
final hours. I wasn't "the ----" from the start, though . I showed up
on time to see the vehicle even though the other guy didn't, and
followed him about 20 miles out into the country to take a look at a
Jeep that I hadn't even seen yet. It wasn't until I sat here waiting
over three hours passed the time the guy told me he'd call me that I
started getting into a bad frame of mind. :-/

> The guy may have been late but he
>doesn't owe you anything. Neither do you owe him. Once agreements are made
>then things change, if a person's word is worth anything that is. Buying
>and selling is all about negotiation, not deMANDING, which from your
>description is what you did.

You're right. I just wish the guy had taken 3 minutes to give me a
quick call on my cell phone (he had my home and cell phone number with
him) and say "Hey, I'm running really late and don't expect to be home
by 6 like I said earlier. I may not even get in touch with you again
unti tomorrow." That would have been a disappointment, but I could
have dealt with that. He didn't "owe" me a little common courtesy but
it sure would have gone a long way. Still no excuse for me busting a
gasket, though.

> Frankly, if I was the buddy or the seller, I'd
>have been ticked as well and probably told you to pound salt. You need to
>chill a little dude. A late phone call is not being jerked around. It
>certainly isn't the most curtious way to operate but such is life.

Yeah, the over-three-hour-late phone call was just kinda rude. The
last minute "Oh, I know you made an offer on what you saw...and I
accept that offer...but I'm going to remove a part (chrome grill) now
and not include it with the vehicle" <---- That part was a
"jerk-around" in my book. Something like a "bait-and-switch."

>
>On a more practical note, you might want to rethink the chrome grill cover.
>Chrome pieces like that have a nasty habit of wanting to rust, plus they
>have the even nastier habit of trapping moisture behind them and "gasp!"
>causing the jeep part behind them to rust. THAT is unforgivable.
>
>Hopefully it will still work out for you. Good luck with it.

Hmm...just a cover, huh? You know what? I was thinking it was the
whole grill itself. Like it had been replaced with a chrome one. I
didn't look at it closely when I was there. I'm not really interested
in chrome. I was thinking he was saying he was basically going to
remove the front grille. But hmm....you probably can't even do that
and still have support for the headlights, huh? Anway, thanks to you
guys for the responses and thanks for being straight with me. I get
edgy sometimes and run off at the mouth. Just tell me to shut up
every now and then and I won't take it the wrong way. I need to learn
to be a little less high-strung. The guy said he wanted the ad to run
through Sunday and I have a feeling that at that time he may call me
back. If I don't have a solid deal lined up (unlikely) on another
Jeep by then, then I'll try to deal with him a little more rationally.
Thanks again for the advice, y'all.



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:58:52 GMT, "T. Greening"
<tgreening@NOSPAMneo.rr.com> shared the following:

>I've been on both sides of the buy/sell deal and all I can say, and please
>don't take this wrong, but from what you've said here you seem to have acted
>the "----" practically from the get go.

I don't take it the wrong way. When I typed up the post below I was
in a really bad mood and I can see it made me look badly. I *do* need
to relax some about this, like Nathan said. It's just that I was all
built up and excited about getting a Jeep only to be let down in the
final hours. I wasn't "the ----" from the start, though . I showed up
on time to see the vehicle even though the other guy didn't, and
followed him about 20 miles out into the country to take a look at a
Jeep that I hadn't even seen yet. It wasn't until I sat here waiting
over three hours passed the time the guy told me he'd call me that I
started getting into a bad frame of mind. :-/

> The guy may have been late but he
>doesn't owe you anything. Neither do you owe him. Once agreements are made
>then things change, if a person's word is worth anything that is. Buying
>and selling is all about negotiation, not deMANDING, which from your
>description is what you did.

You're right. I just wish the guy had taken 3 minutes to give me a
quick call on my cell phone (he had my home and cell phone number with
him) and say "Hey, I'm running really late and don't expect to be home
by 6 like I said earlier. I may not even get in touch with you again
unti tomorrow." That would have been a disappointment, but I could
have dealt with that. He didn't "owe" me a little common courtesy but
it sure would have gone a long way. Still no excuse for me busting a
gasket, though.

> Frankly, if I was the buddy or the seller, I'd
>have been ticked as well and probably told you to pound salt. You need to
>chill a little dude. A late phone call is not being jerked around. It
>certainly isn't the most curtious way to operate but such is life.

Yeah, the over-three-hour-late phone call was just kinda rude. The
last minute "Oh, I know you made an offer on what you saw...and I
accept that offer...but I'm going to remove a part (chrome grill) now
and not include it with the vehicle" <---- That part was a
"jerk-around" in my book. Something like a "bait-and-switch."

>
>On a more practical note, you might want to rethink the chrome grill cover.
>Chrome pieces like that have a nasty habit of wanting to rust, plus they
>have the even nastier habit of trapping moisture behind them and "gasp!"
>causing the jeep part behind them to rust. THAT is unforgivable.
>
>Hopefully it will still work out for you. Good luck with it.

Hmm...just a cover, huh? You know what? I was thinking it was the
whole grill itself. Like it had been replaced with a chrome one. I
didn't look at it closely when I was there. I'm not really interested
in chrome. I was thinking he was saying he was basically going to
remove the front grille. But hmm....you probably can't even do that
and still have support for the headlights, huh? Anway, thanks to you
guys for the responses and thanks for being straight with me. I get
edgy sometimes and run off at the mouth. Just tell me to shut up
every now and then and I won't take it the wrong way. I need to learn
to be a little less high-strung. The guy said he wanted the ad to run
through Sunday and I have a feeling that at that time he may call me
back. If I don't have a solid deal lined up (unlikely) on another
Jeep by then, then I'll try to deal with him a little more rationally.
Thanks again for the advice, y'all.



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

twaldron

Travis,

That chrome fits on the existing grille. It's merely a cover for "looks"
and has no structural qualities at all. If you don't want the chrome
anyway, let him take it off and make sure it's not rusted/damaged
underneath. He's probably trying to make up for some of the "loss" he's
taking for accepting your offer.

travis wrote:

SNIP
> Hmm...just a cover, huh? You know what? I was thinking it was the
> whole grill itself. Like it had been replaced with a chrome one. I
> didn't look at it closely when I was there. I'm not really interested
> in chrome. I was thinking he was saying he was basically going to
> remove the front grille. But hmm....you probably can't even do that
> and still have support for the headlights, huh? SNIP
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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twaldron

Travis,

That chrome fits on the existing grille. It's merely a cover for "looks"
and has no structural qualities at all. If you don't want the chrome
anyway, let him take it off and make sure it's not rusted/damaged
underneath. He's probably trying to make up for some of the "loss" he's
taking for accepting your offer.

travis wrote:

SNIP
> Hmm...just a cover, huh? You know what? I was thinking it was the
> whole grill itself. Like it had been replaced with a chrome one. I
> didn't look at it closely when I was there. I'm not really interested
> in chrome. I was thinking he was saying he was basically going to
> remove the front grille. But hmm....you probably can't even do that
> and still have support for the headlights, huh? SNIP
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

Travis,

That chrome fits on the existing grille. It's merely a cover for "looks"
and has no structural qualities at all. If you don't want the chrome
anyway, let him take it off and make sure it's not rusted/damaged
underneath. He's probably trying to make up for some of the "loss" he's
taking for accepting your offer.

travis wrote:

SNIP
> Hmm...just a cover, huh? You know what? I was thinking it was the
> whole grill itself. Like it had been replaced with a chrome one. I
> didn't look at it closely when I was there. I'm not really interested
> in chrome. I was thinking he was saying he was basically going to
> remove the front grille. But hmm....you probably can't even do that
> and still have support for the headlights, huh? SNIP
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

TJim

I agree. You're getting too freaked out about this.

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98



"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:1%njb.13844$VG6.10996@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> > I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> > for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> > buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> > knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> > on...
>
> if you dont mind some unsolicited advice, RELAX brother. up to the point
> where you make an agreement, buying a vehicle is just one big game. its
the
> sellers job to squeeze as much money out of you as he can. its the buyers
> job to chew him down as much as you can. now once you strike a deal, if
> they try to ---- you its time to get pissed. up to the point where you
> reach an agreement though, its all just part of the game.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
>

TJim

I agree. You're getting too freaked out about this.

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98



"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:1%njb.13844$VG6.10996@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> > I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> > for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> > buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> > knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> > on...
>
> if you dont mind some unsolicited advice, RELAX brother. up to the point
> where you make an agreement, buying a vehicle is just one big game. its
the
> sellers job to squeeze as much money out of you as he can. its the buyers
> job to chew him down as much as you can. now once you strike a deal, if
> they try to ---- you its time to get pissed. up to the point where you
> reach an agreement though, its all just part of the game.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
>

TJim

I agree. You're getting too freaked out about this.

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98



"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:1%njb.13844$VG6.10996@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> > I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> > for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> > buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> > knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> > on...
>
> if you dont mind some unsolicited advice, RELAX brother. up to the point
> where you make an agreement, buying a vehicle is just one big game. its
the
> sellers job to squeeze as much money out of you as he can. its the buyers
> job to chew him down as much as you can. now once you strike a deal, if
> they try to ---- you its time to get pissed. up to the point where you
> reach an agreement though, its all just part of the game.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
>