Dave

pretty much the same thing happened to me when I was selling my '93 cobra a
few months back. this guy called on a saturday after seeing it sitting out
with the for sale sign in it. he says he wants it for sure but can't make
it over... day after day he says this. Finally thursday comes and he is
supposed to have cash in hand but ends up getting off work too late. He
comes over just to look and starts to pick it apart. He says he wants it
and will get the cash but wants another evening to mull it over but will
definitely call me the next day. It got to be 9pm, so I call him the next
day and he says he isn't interested unless I fix the exhaust and drop the
price by 2 grand. He said the tires are dry rotted and worthless.. (he was
right about that. damn goodyear gts only had 15k on them)
so I figure to myself, well i will fix the exhaust because some other
buyer may see that as a great improvement.. AND I go to sears and get the
tires replaced under warranty. I call him saturday afternoon (after $500
spent).. and then he says he is no longer interested but maybe someone will
buy it.. -------.. I post it on ebay.. listing new tires and exhaust and
it sells for exactly what I was asking. He called the next saturday and
said he changed his mind and wanted to know if the car was available... told
him sorry sucker.. gone... and I got what I originally wanted.

talk about jerked around. you have to tell yourself you don't NEED this
guy's Jeep and if it doesn't suit you in the slightest then walk away. This
is a buyer's market now.. at least it is here.. there are plenty of used
cars. I found that out looking for used '03 mustangs cobras. -------
dealers.. that is another story. I finally settled on a new Rubi though.

dave
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > I think you did the right thing, special when part of the sale is
> >continent on an un seen top.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
> Update: (please excuse the language but I'm pissed off right now)
>
> The owner of the Jeep called me on my cell phone. I hadn't even
> talked to him previously. Only his friend who was 10 minutes late to
> meet me and then over 3 hours late in calling me about the Jeep.
> Apparently he got my # from his buddy who I met earlier today. The
> one who called over 3 hours late. He tried to whine some. He
> started in about how much he paid for the grille and blah blah it
> wasn't his fault his friend called me so late... *tap tap* "Is this
> thing on?" *tap tap* NOT MY PROBLEM, BUDDY. To make a long story
> very short I said.... AGAIN. "I don't like to be jerked around.
> $3200 is my final offer WITH the hard top AFTER I inspect it AND that
> offer includes the fancy chrome grille. And by the way I was ready to
> pay $3500 for it, but I'm not even going to pay that much for it now.
> YOU call me back when you're ready to sell it for $3200. Jeep,
> hard-top (after I check it out), and fancy chrome grille. BIATCH."
> Wow. Now I see why these guys are friends. For some reason this dude
> got pissed off, too. But... For some reason he insisted on leaving
> his phone number and his cell phone number with me before hanging up.
> Like he thought I'd call him back begging to buy his Jeep. Hmm... I
> wonder how mad he's gonna get when he calls me back after I don't call
> him and he tells me he'll sell it for $3200 the way I want it and I
> tell him he has to deliver it to me and that I'll only pay him $3000
> for it now. I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> on...
>
> >travis wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, I was supposed to get a call back by 6:30, over three hours ago on
> >> the CJ-7. I just now got the call. The guy said the owner accepted
> >> my offer of $3200 but wanted to keep the chrome front grille. I told
> >> him I was disgusted that he called 3 hours late and that my final
> >> offer of $3200 stood and I wanted the chrome grille, too, and also
> >> wanted to see the hard-top first that they claimed came with the Jeep
> >> which was NOT there earlier when I looked at it. I said something
> >> about not liking to be "jerked around" and apparently he took offense
> >> at that. Too bad. I was ready to buy the Jeep. They were not as
> >> serious as I was. I'm still willing to buy it, but only on my own
> >> terms. I told him to tel lhis friend (the owner) "$3200, WITH the
> >> grille AND I want to see/inspect the hard-top now before handing any
> >> cash over." He was PISSED OFF to say the least. I don't expect to
> >> hear back from him. Oh well, there are plenty of Jeeps like that one
> >> for sale. This will just give me a chance to be more objective about
> >> the whole thing and maybe I'll get lucky and wind up with a better
> >> deal. :-/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Travis
> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> >> :wq!
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Dave

pretty much the same thing happened to me when I was selling my '93 cobra a
few months back. this guy called on a saturday after seeing it sitting out
with the for sale sign in it. he says he wants it for sure but can't make
it over... day after day he says this. Finally thursday comes and he is
supposed to have cash in hand but ends up getting off work too late. He
comes over just to look and starts to pick it apart. He says he wants it
and will get the cash but wants another evening to mull it over but will
definitely call me the next day. It got to be 9pm, so I call him the next
day and he says he isn't interested unless I fix the exhaust and drop the
price by 2 grand. He said the tires are dry rotted and worthless.. (he was
right about that. damn goodyear gts only had 15k on them)
so I figure to myself, well i will fix the exhaust because some other
buyer may see that as a great improvement.. AND I go to sears and get the
tires replaced under warranty. I call him saturday afternoon (after $500
spent).. and then he says he is no longer interested but maybe someone will
buy it.. -------.. I post it on ebay.. listing new tires and exhaust and
it sells for exactly what I was asking. He called the next saturday and
said he changed his mind and wanted to know if the car was available... told
him sorry sucker.. gone... and I got what I originally wanted.

talk about jerked around. you have to tell yourself you don't NEED this
guy's Jeep and if it doesn't suit you in the slightest then walk away. This
is a buyer's market now.. at least it is here.. there are plenty of used
cars. I found that out looking for used '03 mustangs cobras. -------
dealers.. that is another story. I finally settled on a new Rubi though.

dave
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > I think you did the right thing, special when part of the sale is
> >continent on an un seen top.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
> Update: (please excuse the language but I'm pissed off right now)
>
> The owner of the Jeep called me on my cell phone. I hadn't even
> talked to him previously. Only his friend who was 10 minutes late to
> meet me and then over 3 hours late in calling me about the Jeep.
> Apparently he got my # from his buddy who I met earlier today. The
> one who called over 3 hours late. He tried to whine some. He
> started in about how much he paid for the grille and blah blah it
> wasn't his fault his friend called me so late... *tap tap* "Is this
> thing on?" *tap tap* NOT MY PROBLEM, BUDDY. To make a long story
> very short I said.... AGAIN. "I don't like to be jerked around.
> $3200 is my final offer WITH the hard top AFTER I inspect it AND that
> offer includes the fancy chrome grille. And by the way I was ready to
> pay $3500 for it, but I'm not even going to pay that much for it now.
> YOU call me back when you're ready to sell it for $3200. Jeep,
> hard-top (after I check it out), and fancy chrome grille. BIATCH."
> Wow. Now I see why these guys are friends. For some reason this dude
> got pissed off, too. But... For some reason he insisted on leaving
> his phone number and his cell phone number with me before hanging up.
> Like he thought I'd call him back begging to buy his Jeep. Hmm... I
> wonder how mad he's gonna get when he calls me back after I don't call
> him and he tells me he'll sell it for $3200 the way I want it and I
> tell him he has to deliver it to me and that I'll only pay him $3000
> for it now. I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> on...
>
> >travis wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, I was supposed to get a call back by 6:30, over three hours ago on
> >> the CJ-7. I just now got the call. The guy said the owner accepted
> >> my offer of $3200 but wanted to keep the chrome front grille. I told
> >> him I was disgusted that he called 3 hours late and that my final
> >> offer of $3200 stood and I wanted the chrome grille, too, and also
> >> wanted to see the hard-top first that they claimed came with the Jeep
> >> which was NOT there earlier when I looked at it. I said something
> >> about not liking to be "jerked around" and apparently he took offense
> >> at that. Too bad. I was ready to buy the Jeep. They were not as
> >> serious as I was. I'm still willing to buy it, but only on my own
> >> terms. I told him to tel lhis friend (the owner) "$3200, WITH the
> >> grille AND I want to see/inspect the hard-top now before handing any
> >> cash over." He was PISSED OFF to say the least. I don't expect to
> >> hear back from him. Oh well, there are plenty of Jeeps like that one
> >> for sale. This will just give me a chance to be more objective about
> >> the whole thing and maybe I'll get lucky and wind up with a better
> >> deal. :-/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Travis
> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> >> :wq!
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Nathan Collier

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8E046C.6AC3B936@***.net...
> Profound.

mine sure is growing on me. i dont quite yet hold it in the same regard as
my '00 sahara, but its almost there. once i get the seat issue figured
out.....

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Nathan Collier

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8E046C.6AC3B936@***.net...
> Profound.

mine sure is growing on me. i dont quite yet hold it in the same regard as
my '00 sahara, but its almost there. once i get the seat issue figured
out.....

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Nathan Collier

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8E046C.6AC3B936@***.net...
> Profound.

mine sure is growing on me. i dont quite yet hold it in the same regard as
my '00 sahara, but its almost there. once i get the seat issue figured
out.....

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Don Wallish

>your jeep will come and youll know it when you see it.
>

When i looked at the Scrambler for the first time, as soon as the garage door
went up and i saw the rear of a BLACK CJ8 on 33's, i told my buddy i was buying
it. He said he knew i would. And we had yet to get closer than 30 feet.

Don W

'82 CJ8 Scrambler
AMC 360
T/F 727
Dana 300
One-piece model 20 rear
Dana 30 front, upgraded to 6-bolt caliper and Warn hubs, awaiting locker
2" shackle lift/reversal
2" lift springs of unknown origin
33" Mickey's

And it finally runs!!!!!

Don Wallish

>your jeep will come and youll know it when you see it.
>

When i looked at the Scrambler for the first time, as soon as the garage door
went up and i saw the rear of a BLACK CJ8 on 33's, i told my buddy i was buying
it. He said he knew i would. And we had yet to get closer than 30 feet.

Don W

'82 CJ8 Scrambler
AMC 360
T/F 727
Dana 300
One-piece model 20 rear
Dana 30 front, upgraded to 6-bolt caliper and Warn hubs, awaiting locker
2" shackle lift/reversal
2" lift springs of unknown origin
33" Mickey's

And it finally runs!!!!!

Don Wallish

>your jeep will come and youll know it when you see it.
>

When i looked at the Scrambler for the first time, as soon as the garage door
went up and i saw the rear of a BLACK CJ8 on 33's, i told my buddy i was buying
it. He said he knew i would. And we had yet to get closer than 30 feet.

Don W

'82 CJ8 Scrambler
AMC 360
T/F 727
Dana 300
One-piece model 20 rear
Dana 30 front, upgraded to 6-bolt caliper and Warn hubs, awaiting locker
2" shackle lift/reversal
2" lift springs of unknown origin
33" Mickey's

And it finally runs!!!!!

T. Greening

I've been on both sides of the buy/sell deal and all I can say, and please
don't take this wrong, but from what you've said here you seem to have acted
the "----" practically from the get go. The guy may have been late but he
doesn't owe you anything. Neither do you owe him. Once agreements are made
then things change, if a person's word is worth anything that is. Buying
and selling is all about negotiation, not deMANDING, which from your
description is what you did. Frankly, if I was the buddy or the seller, I'd
have been ticked as well and probably told you to pound salt. You need to
chill a little dude. A late phone call is not being jerked around. It
certainly isn't the most curtious way to operate but such is life.

On a more practical note, you might want to rethink the chrome grill cover.
Chrome pieces like that have a nasty habit of wanting to rust, plus they
have the even nastier habit of trapping moisture behind them and "gasp!"
causing the jeep part behind them to rust. THAT is unforgivable.

Hopefully it will still work out for you. Good luck with it.


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > I think you did the right thing, special when part of the sale is
> >continent on an un seen top.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
> Update: (please excuse the language but I'm pissed off right now)
>
> The owner of the Jeep called me on my cell phone. I hadn't even
> talked to him previously. Only his friend who was 10 minutes late to
> meet me and then over 3 hours late in calling me about the Jeep.
> Apparently he got my # from his buddy who I met earlier today. The
> one who called over 3 hours late. He tried to whine some. He
> started in about how much he paid for the grille and blah blah it
> wasn't his fault his friend called me so late... *tap tap* "Is this
> thing on?" *tap tap* NOT MY PROBLEM, BUDDY. To make a long story
> very short I said.... AGAIN. "I don't like to be jerked around.
> $3200 is my final offer WITH the hard top AFTER I inspect it AND that
> offer includes the fancy chrome grille. And by the way I was ready to
> pay $3500 for it, but I'm not even going to pay that much for it now.
> YOU call me back when you're ready to sell it for $3200. Jeep,
> hard-top (after I check it out), and fancy chrome grille. BIATCH."
> Wow. Now I see why these guys are friends. For some reason this dude
> got pissed off, too. But... For some reason he insisted on leaving
> his phone number and his cell phone number with me before hanging up.
> Like he thought I'd call him back begging to buy his Jeep. Hmm... I
> wonder how mad he's gonna get when he calls me back after I don't call
> him and he tells me he'll sell it for $3200 the way I want it and I
> tell him he has to deliver it to me and that I'll only pay him $3000
> for it now. I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> on...
>
> >travis wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, I was supposed to get a call back by 6:30, over three hours ago on
> >> the CJ-7. I just now got the call. The guy said the owner accepted
> >> my offer of $3200 but wanted to keep the chrome front grille. I told
> >> him I was disgusted that he called 3 hours late and that my final
> >> offer of $3200 stood and I wanted the chrome grille, too, and also
> >> wanted to see the hard-top first that they claimed came with the Jeep
> >> which was NOT there earlier when I looked at it. I said something
> >> about not liking to be "jerked around" and apparently he took offense
> >> at that. Too bad. I was ready to buy the Jeep. They were not as
> >> serious as I was. I'm still willing to buy it, but only on my own
> >> terms. I told him to tel lhis friend (the owner) "$3200, WITH the
> >> grille AND I want to see/inspect the hard-top now before handing any
> >> cash over." He was PISSED OFF to say the least. I don't expect to
> >> hear back from him. Oh well, there are plenty of Jeeps like that one
> >> for sale. This will just give me a chance to be more objective about
> >> the whole thing and maybe I'll get lucky and wind up with a better
> >> deal. :-/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Travis
> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> >> :wq!
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

T. Greening

I've been on both sides of the buy/sell deal and all I can say, and please
don't take this wrong, but from what you've said here you seem to have acted
the "----" practically from the get go. The guy may have been late but he
doesn't owe you anything. Neither do you owe him. Once agreements are made
then things change, if a person's word is worth anything that is. Buying
and selling is all about negotiation, not deMANDING, which from your
description is what you did. Frankly, if I was the buddy or the seller, I'd
have been ticked as well and probably told you to pound salt. You need to
chill a little dude. A late phone call is not being jerked around. It
certainly isn't the most curtious way to operate but such is life.

On a more practical note, you might want to rethink the chrome grill cover.
Chrome pieces like that have a nasty habit of wanting to rust, plus they
have the even nastier habit of trapping moisture behind them and "gasp!"
causing the jeep part behind them to rust. THAT is unforgivable.

Hopefully it will still work out for you. Good luck with it.


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:is0sov48t4af4i9kkdaivoii2ddpf8bc1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > I think you did the right thing, special when part of the sale is
> >continent on an un seen top.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
> Update: (please excuse the language but I'm pissed off right now)
>
> The owner of the Jeep called me on my cell phone. I hadn't even
> talked to him previously. Only his friend who was 10 minutes late to
> meet me and then over 3 hours late in calling me about the Jeep.
> Apparently he got my # from his buddy who I met earlier today. The
> one who called over 3 hours late. He tried to whine some. He
> started in about how much he paid for the grille and blah blah it
> wasn't his fault his friend called me so late... *tap tap* "Is this
> thing on?" *tap tap* NOT MY PROBLEM, BUDDY. To make a long story
> very short I said.... AGAIN. "I don't like to be jerked around.
> $3200 is my final offer WITH the hard top AFTER I inspect it AND that
> offer includes the fancy chrome grille. And by the way I was ready to
> pay $3500 for it, but I'm not even going to pay that much for it now.
> YOU call me back when you're ready to sell it for $3200. Jeep,
> hard-top (after I check it out), and fancy chrome grille. BIATCH."
> Wow. Now I see why these guys are friends. For some reason this dude
> got pissed off, too. But... For some reason he insisted on leaving
> his phone number and his cell phone number with me before hanging up.
> Like he thought I'd call him back begging to buy his Jeep. Hmm... I
> wonder how mad he's gonna get when he calls me back after I don't call
> him and he tells me he'll sell it for $3200 the way I want it and I
> tell him he has to deliver it to me and that I'll only pay him $3000
> for it now. I hate it when people try to bend me over. I'm too old
> for that crap. If they don't wanna sell me their shitbox then I'll
> buy a bigger, smellier shitbox from someone else. (with bigger,
> knobbier tires). :-D Damnit, this pisses me off. The search goes
> on...
>
> >travis wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, I was supposed to get a call back by 6:30, over three hours ago on
> >> the CJ-7. I just now got the call. The guy said the owner accepted
> >> my offer of $3200 but wanted to keep the chrome front grille. I told
> >> him I was disgusted that he called 3 hours late and that my final
> >> offer of $3200 stood and I wanted the chrome grille, too, and also
> >> wanted to see the hard-top first that they claimed came with the Jeep
> >> which was NOT there earlier when I looked at it. I said something
> >> about not liking to be "jerked around" and apparently he took offense
> >> at that. Too bad. I was ready to buy the Jeep. They were not as
> >> serious as I was. I'm still willing to buy it, but only on my own
> >> terms. I told him to tel lhis friend (the owner) "$3200, WITH the
> >> grille AND I want to see/inspect the hard-top now before handing any
> >> cash over." He was PISSED OFF to say the least. I don't expect to
> >> hear back from him. Oh well, there are plenty of Jeeps like that one
> >> for sale. This will just give me a chance to be more objective about
> >> the whole thing and maybe I'll get lucky and wind up with a better
> >> deal. :-/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Travis
> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> >> :wq!
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!