Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
05-07-2004, 05:00 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
> both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
>
> Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
> spring fell out.
>
> The shock is not the limiting factor.
That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
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> We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
> both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
>
> Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
> spring fell out.
>
> The shock is not the limiting factor.
That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
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05-07-2004, 06:25 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
> > both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
> >
> > Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
> > spring fell out.
> >
> > The shock is not the limiting factor.
>
> That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
> the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
> removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
> stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
You are right, that didn't come out right...
The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on the
drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
are.
Mike
05-07-2004, 06:25 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
> > both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
> >
> > Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
> > spring fell out.
> >
> > The shock is not the limiting factor.
>
> That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
> the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
> removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
> stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
You are right, that didn't come out right...
The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on the
drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
are.
Mike
05-07-2004, 06:25 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
> > both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
> >
> > Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
> > spring fell out.
> >
> > The shock is not the limiting factor.
>
> That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
> the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
> removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
> stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
You are right, that didn't come out right...
The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on the
drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
are.
Mike
05-07-2004, 06:25 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
> > both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
> >
> > Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
> > spring fell out.
> >
> > The shock is not the limiting factor.
>
> That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
> the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
> removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
> stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
You are right, that didn't come out right...
The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on the
drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
are.
Mike
05-07-2004, 07:23 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
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> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
----------------------------------------------------
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05-07-2004, 07:23 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
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> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
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05-07-2004, 07:23 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
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> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
----------------------------------------------------
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05-07-2004, 07:23 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
----------------------------------------------------
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> You are right, that didn't come out right...
>
> The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
>
> When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
limit of their travel?
> Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
>
> Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> are.
As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
----------------------------------------------------
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05-07-2004, 10:06 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
On 7 May 2004 21:00:22 GMT, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
>> We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
>> both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
>>
>> Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
>> spring fell out.
>>
>> The shock is not the limiting factor.
>
>That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
>the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
>removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
>stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
>Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
>Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
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My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
can find it now though. :(
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <409BD2E4.182E18BC@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
>> We undid the shocks and still couldn't get the springs out. We are
>> both over 200 lb and standing on the brake drum wouldn't come close.
>>
>> Then we undid the anti sway bar and the axle dropped right down so the
>> spring fell out.
>>
>> The shock is not the limiting factor.
>
>That doesn't prove anything, except that without the shocks in place,
>the swaybar does become the limiting factor in axle droop. When you
>removed the shocks, was the axle hanging at that point (i.e. frame on
>stands) and if so, was there any extension left?
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
>Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
>Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
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My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
can find it now though. :(
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm