T-86 shifter question
#31
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
(McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
> a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>>
>>The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
>>own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
>>has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
>>the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
>>from the valley cover.
>>
>>All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
>>rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
>>block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
>>Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>>
>>http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>>
>>http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>>
>>Scroll down to "Engine"
>>http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>>
>>To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
>>wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
>>replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
>>both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
(McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
> a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>>
>>The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
>>own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
>>has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
>>the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
>>from the valley cover.
>>
>>All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
>>rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
>>block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
>>Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>>
>>http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>>
>>http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>>
>>Scroll down to "Engine"
>>http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>>
>>To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
>>wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
>>replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
>>both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Hi Jeff,
That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff debit wrote:
>
> Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
> the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
> sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
> used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
> a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
> fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>
> Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff debit wrote:
>
> Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
> the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
> sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
> used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
> a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
> fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>
> Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
#33
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Hi Jeff,
That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff debit wrote:
>
> Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
> the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
> sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
> used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
> a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
> fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>
> Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff debit wrote:
>
> Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
> the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
> sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
> used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
> a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
> fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>
> Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
#34
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Hi Jeff,
That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff debit wrote:
>
> Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
> the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
> sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
> used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
> a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
> fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>
> Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff debit wrote:
>
> Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
> the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
> sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
> used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
> a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
> fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>
> Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
#35
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Hi Jeff,
It was a surprise to me. I was putting it in a '54 ****** truck for
a friend, just like ever other conversion I had done thinking it was a
Chevy "283 when I ran into the starter problem, and found out my friend
had bought it from a trade school using it for training. Ran the numbers
that were in the same place as Chevy, right front block, and came up
with Studibaker.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
> their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
> (McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
>
> Jeff
It was a surprise to me. I was putting it in a '54 ****** truck for
a friend, just like ever other conversion I had done thinking it was a
Chevy "283 when I ran into the starter problem, and found out my friend
had bought it from a trade school using it for training. Ran the numbers
that were in the same place as Chevy, right front block, and came up
with Studibaker.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
> their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
> (McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
>
> Jeff
#36
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Hi Jeff,
It was a surprise to me. I was putting it in a '54 ****** truck for
a friend, just like ever other conversion I had done thinking it was a
Chevy "283 when I ran into the starter problem, and found out my friend
had bought it from a trade school using it for training. Ran the numbers
that were in the same place as Chevy, right front block, and came up
with Studibaker.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
> their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
> (McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
>
> Jeff
It was a surprise to me. I was putting it in a '54 ****** truck for
a friend, just like ever other conversion I had done thinking it was a
Chevy "283 when I ran into the starter problem, and found out my friend
had bought it from a trade school using it for training. Ran the numbers
that were in the same place as Chevy, right front block, and came up
with Studibaker.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
> their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
> (McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
>
> Jeff
#37
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Re: T-86 shifter question
Hi Jeff,
It was a surprise to me. I was putting it in a '54 ****** truck for
a friend, just like ever other conversion I had done thinking it was a
Chevy "283 when I ran into the starter problem, and found out my friend
had bought it from a trade school using it for training. Ran the numbers
that were in the same place as Chevy, right front block, and came up
with Studibaker.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
> their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
> (McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
>
> Jeff
It was a surprise to me. I was putting it in a '54 ****** truck for
a friend, just like ever other conversion I had done thinking it was a
Chevy "283 when I ran into the starter problem, and found out my friend
had bought it from a trade school using it for training. Ran the numbers
that were in the same place as Chevy, right front block, and came up
with Studibaker.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
> their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
> (McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.
>
> Jeff
#38
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Re: T-86 shifter question
That is EXACTLY the overdrive unit I'm working with, the shape of the
casting, the shift pall, everything. The transmission itself appears to
be different, mine has a six bolt cover plate while that one looks like
it has four, and you do say it's a T-85 while mine is a T-86 (I know
this because T-86 is cast into the side of the housing).
Actually that overdrive is a Borg-Warner unit that was used on quite a
few different cars and trucks in the 50's and 60's, bet it was even used
on a few Jeeps!
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/B...rive/index.htm
Studebaker used the T-86 in six cylinder and some V8 applications, but
they also used T-90's and T-96's.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
> speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
> would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
> side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
> stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
> http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
> then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff debit wrote:
>
>>Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
>>the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
>>sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
>>used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
>>a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
>>fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
casting, the shift pall, everything. The transmission itself appears to
be different, mine has a six bolt cover plate while that one looks like
it has four, and you do say it's a T-85 while mine is a T-86 (I know
this because T-86 is cast into the side of the housing).
Actually that overdrive is a Borg-Warner unit that was used on quite a
few different cars and trucks in the 50's and 60's, bet it was even used
on a few Jeeps!
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/B...rive/index.htm
Studebaker used the T-86 in six cylinder and some V8 applications, but
they also used T-90's and T-96's.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
> speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
> would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
> side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
> stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
> http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
> then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff debit wrote:
>
>>Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
>>the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
>>sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
>>used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
>>a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
>>fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
#39
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Re: T-86 shifter question
That is EXACTLY the overdrive unit I'm working with, the shape of the
casting, the shift pall, everything. The transmission itself appears to
be different, mine has a six bolt cover plate while that one looks like
it has four, and you do say it's a T-85 while mine is a T-86 (I know
this because T-86 is cast into the side of the housing).
Actually that overdrive is a Borg-Warner unit that was used on quite a
few different cars and trucks in the 50's and 60's, bet it was even used
on a few Jeeps!
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/B...rive/index.htm
Studebaker used the T-86 in six cylinder and some V8 applications, but
they also used T-90's and T-96's.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
> speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
> would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
> side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
> stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
> http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
> then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff debit wrote:
>
>>Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
>>the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
>>sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
>>used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
>>a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
>>fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
casting, the shift pall, everything. The transmission itself appears to
be different, mine has a six bolt cover plate while that one looks like
it has four, and you do say it's a T-85 while mine is a T-86 (I know
this because T-86 is cast into the side of the housing).
Actually that overdrive is a Borg-Warner unit that was used on quite a
few different cars and trucks in the 50's and 60's, bet it was even used
on a few Jeeps!
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/B...rive/index.htm
Studebaker used the T-86 in six cylinder and some V8 applications, but
they also used T-90's and T-96's.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
> speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
> would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
> side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
> stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
> http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
> then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff debit wrote:
>
>>Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
>>the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
>>sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
>>used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
>>a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
>>fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
#40
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Re: T-86 shifter question
That is EXACTLY the overdrive unit I'm working with, the shape of the
casting, the shift pall, everything. The transmission itself appears to
be different, mine has a six bolt cover plate while that one looks like
it has four, and you do say it's a T-85 while mine is a T-86 (I know
this because T-86 is cast into the side of the housing).
Actually that overdrive is a Borg-Warner unit that was used on quite a
few different cars and trucks in the 50's and 60's, bet it was even used
on a few Jeeps!
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/B...rive/index.htm
Studebaker used the T-86 in six cylinder and some V8 applications, but
they also used T-90's and T-96's.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
> speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
> would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
> side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
> stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
> http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
> then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff debit wrote:
>
>>Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
>>the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
>>sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
>>used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
>>a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
>>fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
casting, the shift pall, everything. The transmission itself appears to
be different, mine has a six bolt cover plate while that one looks like
it has four, and you do say it's a T-85 while mine is a T-86 (I know
this because T-86 is cast into the side of the housing).
Actually that overdrive is a Borg-Warner unit that was used on quite a
few different cars and trucks in the 50's and 60's, bet it was even used
on a few Jeeps!
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/B...rive/index.htm
Studebaker used the T-86 in six cylinder and some V8 applications, but
they also used T-90's and T-96's.
Jeff
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That was the Borg Warner T-85 with overdrive the strongest three
> speed ever made, and used by the big three's muscle cars. The overdrive
> would look like this, but the T-85 will have a rounded bottom to the
> side plate: http://www.----------.com/overdrvie.jpg My Thunderbird came
> stock with one, which I traded for a T-10 four speed back in '63:
> http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm They were like hen's teeth back
> then, too as they used their own crash boxes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff debit wrote:
>
>>Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
>>the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
>>sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
>>used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
>>a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
>>fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)
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