Uhh Bill, with all due respect...

The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
from the valley cover.

All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.

http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif

http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg

Scroll down to "Engine"
http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm

To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)

Jeff DeWitt


L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Yes, I'm 63 years :-( old and they were plentiful, while I was
> growing up. I don't ever remember seeing one with the Lark front end,
> though. Not many people know your V8 is the Chevy small block with the
> disturber driving off the timing chain rather from hole underneath your
> intake manifold in back. Means the Muncie SM420 four speed granny (floor
> shift) used in the Chevy trucks will bolt right in:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convtrans/sm420yj/
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Wow Bill, interesting choice! That is the prototype Studebaker XUV
>>built by the Avanti Motor Company in Atlanta. They were planing on
>>producing those but it didn't work out.
>>
>>A real Studebaker (made in South Bend, Indiana by the Studebaker
>>Corporation) looks like these...
>>
>>http://studetrucks.tripod.com/
>>
>>http://hometown.aol.com/jdendicott/myhomepage/
>>
>>http://www.sdcmeet.com/photos.htm
>>
>>http://www.ritzsite.net/63Stude/05_63stude.htm
>>
>>http://www.ritzsite.net/63Stude/04_63stude.htm
>>
>>This is an old picture of mine, I've since painted it... you know it's
>>pretty bad when you have to do a Google search to find a picture of your
>>own truck, I really need to get a website going again!
>>
>>http://members.tripod.com/classic_dr...jeffdewitt.htm
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> For those that don't remember what a Studdy looks like:
>>>http://www.cars.com/features/autosho...r_lead_425.jpg
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

 

Uhh Bill, with all due respect...

The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
from the valley cover.

All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.

http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif

http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg

Scroll down to "Engine"
http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm

To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)

Jeff DeWitt


L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Yes, I'm 63 years :-( old and they were plentiful, while I was
> growing up. I don't ever remember seeing one with the Lark front end,
> though. Not many people know your V8 is the Chevy small block with the
> disturber driving off the timing chain rather from hole underneath your
> intake manifold in back. Means the Muncie SM420 four speed granny (floor
> shift) used in the Chevy trucks will bolt right in:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convtrans/sm420yj/
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Wow Bill, interesting choice! That is the prototype Studebaker XUV
>>built by the Avanti Motor Company in Atlanta. They were planing on
>>producing those but it didn't work out.
>>
>>A real Studebaker (made in South Bend, Indiana by the Studebaker
>>Corporation) looks like these...
>>
>>http://studetrucks.tripod.com/
>>
>>http://hometown.aol.com/jdendicott/myhomepage/
>>
>>http://www.sdcmeet.com/photos.htm
>>
>>http://www.ritzsite.net/63Stude/05_63stude.htm
>>
>>http://www.ritzsite.net/63Stude/04_63stude.htm
>>
>>This is an old picture of mine, I've since painted it... you know it's
>>pretty bad when you have to do a Google search to find a picture of your
>>own truck, I really need to get a website going again!
>>
>>http://members.tripod.com/classic_dr...jeffdewitt.htm
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> For those that don't remember what a Studdy looks like:
>>>http://www.cars.com/features/autosho...r_lead_425.jpg
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

 

Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!

Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)


L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> The Jeep overdrive was mechanical operated via a stick:
> http://www.----------.com/Dana18.jpg and was a sun and planetary gears
> much like The puny low range works in a TJ. What you're thinking of was
> used in the fifties, cable actuated, with an electric solenoid that
> actually did the shift so we could use a kick down switch under the
> accelerator peddle.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>I know I'd have to remove the original shift forks, but this wasn't an
>>unuseual conversion back in the 50's and early 60's.
>>
>>My truck left South Bend in 1960 with a little flathead 6 and some
>>previous owner put in an early Stude 289 V8 and this transmission, so
>>it's hardly stock. I've also had FAR more experience working on this
>>transmission than I ever wanted to have. The OD went bad and I'm in the
>>process of replacing it, which entails taking the transmission apart and
>>putting it back together... what a PAIN!. Besides this truck is a
>>keeper, I'm not working on it to make it more valuable, I'm working on
>>it because I love driving the thing (and hope to drive it to Alaska!).
>>
>>You are reasonably thinking of the twin stick system that Jeep used
>>(after all this IS a Jeep newsgroup!), however AMC also had a twin stick
>>system they used in cars. One stick was for the shifter, the other was
>>an overdrive lockout lever and it had a button on the top that you could
>>use for a quick down shift. Studebakers version of the lockout was a
>>handle under the dash, which worked but wasn't nearly as cool as the AMC
>>Twin Stick.
>>
>>http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ma...twin-stick.gif
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt

 

Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!

Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)


L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> The Jeep overdrive was mechanical operated via a stick:
> http://www.----------.com/Dana18.jpg and was a sun and planetary gears
> much like The puny low range works in a TJ. What you're thinking of was
> used in the fifties, cable actuated, with an electric solenoid that
> actually did the shift so we could use a kick down switch under the
> accelerator peddle.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>I know I'd have to remove the original shift forks, but this wasn't an
>>unuseual conversion back in the 50's and early 60's.
>>
>>My truck left South Bend in 1960 with a little flathead 6 and some
>>previous owner put in an early Stude 289 V8 and this transmission, so
>>it's hardly stock. I've also had FAR more experience working on this
>>transmission than I ever wanted to have. The OD went bad and I'm in the
>>process of replacing it, which entails taking the transmission apart and
>>putting it back together... what a PAIN!. Besides this truck is a
>>keeper, I'm not working on it to make it more valuable, I'm working on
>>it because I love driving the thing (and hope to drive it to Alaska!).
>>
>>You are reasonably thinking of the twin stick system that Jeep used
>>(after all this IS a Jeep newsgroup!), however AMC also had a twin stick
>>system they used in cars. One stick was for the shifter, the other was
>>an overdrive lockout lever and it had a button on the top that you could
>>use for a quick down shift. Studebakers version of the lockout was a
>>handle under the dash, which worked but wasn't nearly as cool as the AMC
>>Twin Stick.
>>
>>http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ma...twin-stick.gif
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt

 

Exactly, and what I want to do is put in a lever to take the place of
the cable. The one of in the picture is a VERY different device. I'm
sure the Rambler/AMC unit was really the same as Stude (and others)
used, and in doing some research have found that they even offered it on
a T-86! I bet if I could find one of those it would go in my Champ just
fine... although I expect hens teeth are a little more common!

Jeff DeWitt (Amen on God Bless America!)


L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> The Jeep overdrive was mechanical operated via a stick:
> http://www.----------.com/Dana18.jpg and was a sun and planetary gears
> much like The puny low range works in a TJ. What you're thinking of was
> used in the fifties, cable actuated, with an electric solenoid that
> actually did the shift so we could use a kick down switch under the
> accelerator peddle.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>I know I'd have to remove the original shift forks, but this wasn't an
>>unuseual conversion back in the 50's and early 60's.
>>
>>My truck left South Bend in 1960 with a little flathead 6 and some
>>previous owner put in an early Stude 289 V8 and this transmission, so
>>it's hardly stock. I've also had FAR more experience working on this
>>transmission than I ever wanted to have. The OD went bad and I'm in the
>>process of replacing it, which entails taking the transmission apart and
>>putting it back together... what a PAIN!. Besides this truck is a
>>keeper, I'm not working on it to make it more valuable, I'm working on
>>it because I love driving the thing (and hope to drive it to Alaska!).
>>
>>You are reasonably thinking of the twin stick system that Jeep used
>>(after all this IS a Jeep newsgroup!), however AMC also had a twin stick
>>system they used in cars. One stick was for the shifter, the other was
>>an overdrive lockout lever and it had a button on the top that you could
>>use for a quick down shift. Studebakers version of the lockout was a
>>handle under the dash, which worked but wasn't nearly as cool as the AMC
>>Twin Stick.
>>
>>http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ma...twin-stick.gif
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt

 

All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>
> The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
> own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
> has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
> the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
> from the valley cover.
>
> All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
> rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
> block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
> Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>
> http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>
> http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>
> Scroll down to "Engine"
> http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>
> To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
> wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
> replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
> both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>
> Jeff DeWitt

 

All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>
> The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
> own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
> has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
> the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
> from the valley cover.
>
> All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
> rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
> block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
> Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>
> http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>
> http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>
> Scroll down to "Engine"
> http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>
> To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
> wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
> replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
> both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>
> Jeff DeWitt

 

All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>
> The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
> own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
> has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
> the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
> from the valley cover.
>
> All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
> rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
> block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
> Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>
> http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>
> http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>
> Scroll down to "Engine"
> http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>
> To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
> wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
> replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
> both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>
> Jeff DeWitt

 

Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
(McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.

Jeff

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
> a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>>
>>The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
>>own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
>>has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
>>the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
>>from the valley cover.
>>
>>All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
>>rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
>>block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
>>Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>>
>>http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>>
>>http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>>
>>Scroll down to "Engine"
>>http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>>
>>To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
>>wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
>>replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
>>both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt

 

Could it have been a 65 or 66? The last two years Studebaker moved all
their production to Hamilton Ontario and used GM industrial engines,
(McKinnon's), actually heavy duty Chebby motors.

Jeff

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> All I can tell you is I once put Chevrolet heads on one, just took
> a little ingenuity to adapt the starter to fit the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Uhh Bill, with all due respect...
>>
>>The Studebaker 289 V8 in my Champ was made in South Bend, in Studebakers
>>own foundry and it is a Studebaker design, first introduced in 1951. It
>>has no timing chain, it's got gears, and the distributor is mounted in
>>the rear of the block, behind the intake manifold. (Which is separate
>>from the valley cover.
>>
>>All Studebaker V8's also have forged crankshafts, forged connecting
>>rods, and solid lifters, they also used a high silicon alloy in the
>>block that makes them a lot harder than most engines. (That is why us
>>Studefolk say that SBC really means Soft Block Chevy) <G>.
>>
>>http://studetrucks.tripod.com/289v8100.gif
>>
>>http://media4.motorcities.com/01G19214300797E.jpeg
>>
>>Scroll down to "Engine"
>>http://www.toywonders.net/history/19...3%20Avanti.htm
>>
>>To try to be a bit on topic here recently someone had one of those
>>wonderful little early 50's ****** pickups on ebay, and they had
>>replaced the original engine with a Stude V8, talk about the best of
>>both worlds! (Of course I doubt I'd fit...)
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt