Did you click on the video of that roll?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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griffin wrote:
>
> Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar is
> better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of install.
>
> Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job like
> that.

 

Ya, that's pretty intense. Another reason I mud and don't rockcrawl ...

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Did you click on the video of that roll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar
is
> > better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of
install.
> >
> > Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job
like
> > that.

 

Ya, that's pretty intense. Another reason I mud and don't rockcrawl ...

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1D68F.5EF0995B@***.net...
> Did you click on the video of that roll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar
is
> > better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of
install.
> >
> > Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job
like
> > that.

 

Ya, that's pretty intense. Another reason I mud and don't rockcrawl ...

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1D68F.5EF0995B@***.net...
> Did you click on the video of that roll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar
is
> > better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of
install.
> >
> > Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job
like
> > that.

 

I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer was
based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't like
the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi which
caused the tires to overheat and seperate..

Ben
95 YJ 2.5L

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> It is against the law to drive drunk.
> The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> pressure.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
>> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
>> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
>> completely mashed in:
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>>
>> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
>> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
>> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
>> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
>> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
>> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>>
>> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
>> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
>> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
>> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
>> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
>> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>>
>> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
>> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
>> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
>> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
>> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
>> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>>
>> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
>> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
>> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."

 

I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer was
based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't like
the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi which
caused the tires to overheat and seperate..

Ben
95 YJ 2.5L

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> It is against the law to drive drunk.
> The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> pressure.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
>> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
>> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
>> completely mashed in:
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>>
>> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
>> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
>> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
>> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
>> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
>> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>>
>> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
>> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
>> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
>> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
>> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
>> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>>
>> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
>> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
>> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
>> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
>> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
>> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>>
>> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
>> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
>> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."

 

I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer was
based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't like
the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi which
caused the tires to overheat and seperate..

Ben
95 YJ 2.5L

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> It is against the law to drive drunk.
> The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> pressure.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
>> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
>> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
>> completely mashed in:
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>>
>> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
>> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
>> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
>> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
>> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
>> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>>
>> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
>> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
>> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
>> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
>> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
>> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>>
>> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
>> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
>> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
>> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
>> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
>> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>>
>> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
>> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
>> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."

 

You are very correct!!

I am quite sure that without the custom cage I have I wouldnt be here today from my
Moab roll. It was neither as long nor as hard as Tracie's was, but I pretty much
landed on the top of the nose and the drives side corner of the windsheild frame.
Stock roll bar would have bent like anything I am sure. Custom steel cage didnt
budge a bit. The frame bent back, hit the cage and stopped.
http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Moab03/Dam...s/P4110065.JPG

However, the rear of the cage was still stock bars, and it got bent up bad enough
that it had to be replaced. In this pic the Jeep is on nearly level ground so you
can see how out of whack the rear part of the roll bar is.
http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Moab03/Dam...s/P4080103.JPG



On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:22:09 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

>>I would point out that the pix of the Explorer shows that the roof
>>structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
>>have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
>>flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
>>as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
>>
>>My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
>>proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
>>

 

You are very correct!!

I am quite sure that without the custom cage I have I wouldnt be here today from my
Moab roll. It was neither as long nor as hard as Tracie's was, but I pretty much
landed on the top of the nose and the drives side corner of the windsheild frame.
Stock roll bar would have bent like anything I am sure. Custom steel cage didnt
budge a bit. The frame bent back, hit the cage and stopped.
http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Moab03/Dam...s/P4110065.JPG

However, the rear of the cage was still stock bars, and it got bent up bad enough
that it had to be replaced. In this pic the Jeep is on nearly level ground so you
can see how out of whack the rear part of the roll bar is.
http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Moab03/Dam...s/P4080103.JPG



On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:22:09 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

>>I would point out that the pix of the Explorer shows that the roof
>>structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
>>have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
>>flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
>>as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
>>
>>My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
>>proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
>>

 

You are very correct!!

I am quite sure that without the custom cage I have I wouldnt be here today from my
Moab roll. It was neither as long nor as hard as Tracie's was, but I pretty much
landed on the top of the nose and the drives side corner of the windsheild frame.
Stock roll bar would have bent like anything I am sure. Custom steel cage didnt
budge a bit. The frame bent back, hit the cage and stopped.
http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Moab03/Dam...s/P4110065.JPG

However, the rear of the cage was still stock bars, and it got bent up bad enough
that it had to be replaced. In this pic the Jeep is on nearly level ground so you
can see how out of whack the rear part of the roll bar is.
http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Moab03/Dam...s/P4080103.JPG



On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:22:09 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

>>I would point out that the pix of the Explorer shows that the roof
>>structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
>>have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
>>flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
>>as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
>>
>>My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
>>proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
>>