SUVs and Rollovers
12-31-2004, 01:23 AM
#71
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
How very true, in this litigious society the roll bar manufacturer
would have to guarantee their bar would not collapse after driving off a
thousand foot cliff, not whether the sudden stop would have kill them,
anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mark12211 wrote:
>
> Jeeps don't have roll bars, they have sport bars.
would have to guarantee their bar would not collapse after driving off a
thousand foot cliff, not whether the sudden stop would have kill them,
anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mark12211 wrote:
>
> Jeeps don't have roll bars, they have sport bars.
12-31-2004, 01:23 AM
#72
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
How very true, in this litigious society the roll bar manufacturer
would have to guarantee their bar would not collapse after driving off a
thousand foot cliff, not whether the sudden stop would have kill them,
anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mark12211 wrote:
>
> Jeeps don't have roll bars, they have sport bars.
would have to guarantee their bar would not collapse after driving off a
thousand foot cliff, not whether the sudden stop would have kill them,
anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mark12211 wrote:
>
> Jeeps don't have roll bars, they have sport bars.
12-31-2004, 01:23 AM
#73
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
How very true, in this litigious society the roll bar manufacturer
would have to guarantee their bar would not collapse after driving off a
thousand foot cliff, not whether the sudden stop would have kill them,
anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mark12211 wrote:
>
> Jeeps don't have roll bars, they have sport bars.
would have to guarantee their bar would not collapse after driving off a
thousand foot cliff, not whether the sudden stop would have kill them,
anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mark12211 wrote:
>
> Jeeps don't have roll bars, they have sport bars.
12-31-2004, 07:17 AM
#74
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took it
upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage were
on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases was
due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems. The
real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their tire
pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
operator error.
My 2 Cents
HarryS
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Rb2dnQ_Zl6yxREncRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> The report I heard was, Bridgestone/Firestone claimed their tires met the
> specifications as required by Ford, including operating tire pressures.
> Until, of course, their tires started coming apart.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D4C255.5739E845@***.net...
>> That's Goodyear's recommendation. As far as I know
>> Bridgestone/Firestone never went along with Ford's door jam sticker
>> recommendation. "Ford recommended 26 psi for Explorer tires":
>> http://www.e-z.net/~ts/Firestone.htm I use forty pounds on my full sized
>> Bronco, which is lighter than your TJ.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ford pointed out from 1995 to 1997, a rival company Goodyear also
> supplied
>> > two million tires using the same specifications Firestone was using.
> Nearly
>> > 500,000 were equipped on Ford Explorers with any evidence of failure,
>> > according to Ford officials."
>
>
upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage were
on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases was
due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems. The
real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their tire
pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
operator error.
My 2 Cents
HarryS
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Rb2dnQ_Zl6yxREncRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> The report I heard was, Bridgestone/Firestone claimed their tires met the
> specifications as required by Ford, including operating tire pressures.
> Until, of course, their tires started coming apart.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D4C255.5739E845@***.net...
>> That's Goodyear's recommendation. As far as I know
>> Bridgestone/Firestone never went along with Ford's door jam sticker
>> recommendation. "Ford recommended 26 psi for Explorer tires":
>> http://www.e-z.net/~ts/Firestone.htm I use forty pounds on my full sized
>> Bronco, which is lighter than your TJ.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ford pointed out from 1995 to 1997, a rival company Goodyear also
> supplied
>> > two million tires using the same specifications Firestone was using.
> Nearly
>> > 500,000 were equipped on Ford Explorers with any evidence of failure,
>> > according to Ford officials."
>
>
12-31-2004, 07:17 AM
#75
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took it
upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage were
on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases was
due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems. The
real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their tire
pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
operator error.
My 2 Cents
HarryS
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Rb2dnQ_Zl6yxREncRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> The report I heard was, Bridgestone/Firestone claimed their tires met the
> specifications as required by Ford, including operating tire pressures.
> Until, of course, their tires started coming apart.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D4C255.5739E845@***.net...
>> That's Goodyear's recommendation. As far as I know
>> Bridgestone/Firestone never went along with Ford's door jam sticker
>> recommendation. "Ford recommended 26 psi for Explorer tires":
>> http://www.e-z.net/~ts/Firestone.htm I use forty pounds on my full sized
>> Bronco, which is lighter than your TJ.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ford pointed out from 1995 to 1997, a rival company Goodyear also
> supplied
>> > two million tires using the same specifications Firestone was using.
> Nearly
>> > 500,000 were equipped on Ford Explorers with any evidence of failure,
>> > according to Ford officials."
>
>
upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage were
on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases was
due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems. The
real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their tire
pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
operator error.
My 2 Cents
HarryS
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Rb2dnQ_Zl6yxREncRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> The report I heard was, Bridgestone/Firestone claimed their tires met the
> specifications as required by Ford, including operating tire pressures.
> Until, of course, their tires started coming apart.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D4C255.5739E845@***.net...
>> That's Goodyear's recommendation. As far as I know
>> Bridgestone/Firestone never went along with Ford's door jam sticker
>> recommendation. "Ford recommended 26 psi for Explorer tires":
>> http://www.e-z.net/~ts/Firestone.htm I use forty pounds on my full sized
>> Bronco, which is lighter than your TJ.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ford pointed out from 1995 to 1997, a rival company Goodyear also
> supplied
>> > two million tires using the same specifications Firestone was using.
> Nearly
>> > 500,000 were equipped on Ford Explorers with any evidence of failure,
>> > according to Ford officials."
>
>
12-31-2004, 07:17 AM
#76
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took it
upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage were
on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases was
due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems. The
real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their tire
pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
operator error.
My 2 Cents
HarryS
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Rb2dnQ_Zl6yxREncRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> The report I heard was, Bridgestone/Firestone claimed their tires met the
> specifications as required by Ford, including operating tire pressures.
> Until, of course, their tires started coming apart.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D4C255.5739E845@***.net...
>> That's Goodyear's recommendation. As far as I know
>> Bridgestone/Firestone never went along with Ford's door jam sticker
>> recommendation. "Ford recommended 26 psi for Explorer tires":
>> http://www.e-z.net/~ts/Firestone.htm I use forty pounds on my full sized
>> Bronco, which is lighter than your TJ.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ford pointed out from 1995 to 1997, a rival company Goodyear also
> supplied
>> > two million tires using the same specifications Firestone was using.
> Nearly
>> > 500,000 were equipped on Ford Explorers with any evidence of failure,
>> > according to Ford officials."
>
>
upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage were
on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases was
due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems. The
real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their tire
pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
operator error.
My 2 Cents
HarryS
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Rb2dnQ_Zl6yxREncRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> The report I heard was, Bridgestone/Firestone claimed their tires met the
> specifications as required by Ford, including operating tire pressures.
> Until, of course, their tires started coming apart.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D4C255.5739E845@***.net...
>> That's Goodyear's recommendation. As far as I know
>> Bridgestone/Firestone never went along with Ford's door jam sticker
>> recommendation. "Ford recommended 26 psi for Explorer tires":
>> http://www.e-z.net/~ts/Firestone.htm I use forty pounds on my full sized
>> Bronco, which is lighter than your TJ.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ford pointed out from 1995 to 1997, a rival company Goodyear also
> supplied
>> > two million tires using the same specifications Firestone was using.
> Nearly
>> > 500,000 were equipped on Ford Explorers with any evidence of failure,
>> > according to Ford officials."
>
>
12-31-2004, 08:30 AM
#77
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
"HarryS" <harry01@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MvSdnXEvxcbt3kjcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took
it
> upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
> majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage
were
> on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases
was
> due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
> every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems.
You misread...it wasn't simply a case of Ford lowering the recommended
pressures without Firestone's approval or knowledge. Manufacturers provide
the specs required of a supplier's product, and the supplier tells the
manufacturer if X product will meet those specs. B/S told Ford that the
lower pressures Ford wanted were within the operational specs of the
Firestone tires in question.
The
> real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
> and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Please cite?
>
> Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their
tire
> pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
> is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
> man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
> operator error.
>
Some? How about "most?"
news:MvSdnXEvxcbt3kjcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took
it
> upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
> majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage
were
> on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases
was
> due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
> every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems.
You misread...it wasn't simply a case of Ford lowering the recommended
pressures without Firestone's approval or knowledge. Manufacturers provide
the specs required of a supplier's product, and the supplier tells the
manufacturer if X product will meet those specs. B/S told Ford that the
lower pressures Ford wanted were within the operational specs of the
Firestone tires in question.
The
> real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
> and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Please cite?
>
> Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their
tire
> pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
> is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
> man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
> operator error.
>
Some? How about "most?"
12-31-2004, 08:30 AM
#78
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
"HarryS" <harry01@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MvSdnXEvxcbt3kjcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took
it
> upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
> majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage
were
> on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases
was
> due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
> every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems.
You misread...it wasn't simply a case of Ford lowering the recommended
pressures without Firestone's approval or knowledge. Manufacturers provide
the specs required of a supplier's product, and the supplier tells the
manufacturer if X product will meet those specs. B/S told Ford that the
lower pressures Ford wanted were within the operational specs of the
Firestone tires in question.
The
> real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
> and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Please cite?
>
> Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their
tire
> pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
> is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
> man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
> operator error.
>
Some? How about "most?"
news:MvSdnXEvxcbt3kjcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took
it
> upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
> majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage
were
> on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases
was
> due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
> every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems.
You misread...it wasn't simply a case of Ford lowering the recommended
pressures without Firestone's approval or knowledge. Manufacturers provide
the specs required of a supplier's product, and the supplier tells the
manufacturer if X product will meet those specs. B/S told Ford that the
lower pressures Ford wanted were within the operational specs of the
Firestone tires in question.
The
> real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
> and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Please cite?
>
> Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their
tire
> pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
> is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
> man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
> operator error.
>
Some? How about "most?"
12-31-2004, 08:30 AM
#79
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
"HarryS" <harry01@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MvSdnXEvxcbt3kjcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took
it
> upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
> majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage
were
> on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases
was
> due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
> every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems.
You misread...it wasn't simply a case of Ford lowering the recommended
pressures without Firestone's approval or knowledge. Manufacturers provide
the specs required of a supplier's product, and the supplier tells the
manufacturer if X product will meet those specs. B/S told Ford that the
lower pressures Ford wanted were within the operational specs of the
Firestone tires in question.
The
> real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
> and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Please cite?
>
> Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their
tire
> pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
> is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
> man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
> operator error.
>
Some? How about "most?"
news:MvSdnXEvxcbt3kjcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Yes this is true except Ford did not like the harsh ride of so they took
it
> upon themselves to reduce the tire pressure recommended by B/S. The
> majority of all the tire failures were on Fords a very small percentage
were
> on other Manufacturers vehicles and the probable failure in those cases
was
> due to low tire pressure. B/S had hundreds of thousands of their tires on
> every make and model so why did Ford have the majority of the problems.
You misread...it wasn't simply a case of Ford lowering the recommended
pressures without Firestone's approval or knowledge. Manufacturers provide
the specs required of a supplier's product, and the supplier tells the
manufacturer if X product will meet those specs. B/S told Ford that the
lower pressures Ford wanted were within the operational specs of the
Firestone tires in question.
The
> real issue was Ford lowering the tire pressure standards for a softer ride
> and in several court cases Ford was found at fault not B/F.
Please cite?
>
> Do a survey some time and find out how many people actually check their
tire
> pressure. I read an article in Motor Week some years ago and they said it
> is the least checked maintenance item for all Autos and if I was a betting
> man I would lay odds that some of the blame for Fords muck-up is due to
> operator error.
>
Some? How about "most?"
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