Suspension frustration!
#31
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Re: Suspension frustration!
It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the body.
The wheel is as steady as can be.
I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it in
for a good alignment.
Allen
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the firewall,
> > check that.
> >
> This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> either tire against the curb.
>
>
> > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > steering too.
> >
> I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
>
>
> > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was going
> > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> >
> I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen at
> idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
tend
> to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch. My
> fan is fixed to the pulley.
>
>
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
The wheel is as steady as can be.
I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it in
for a good alignment.
Allen
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the firewall,
> > check that.
> >
> This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> either tire against the curb.
>
>
> > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > steering too.
> >
> I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
>
>
> > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was going
> > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> >
> I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen at
> idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
tend
> to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch. My
> fan is fixed to the pulley.
>
>
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
You have something different than ball joints if the steering wheel is
steady. If the front tires are moving as they would in a Death Wobble, then
you would definitely feel it in the steering wheel.
It is sounding like you have issues with the drivetrain balancing, or maybe
even bent.
<ABanks5@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12Ypb.9300$gD1.3979@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the
body.
> The wheel is as steady as can be.
> I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
> pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
> joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it
in
> for a good alignment.
> Allen
>
>
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the
firewall,
> > > check that.
> > >
> > This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> > either tire against the curb.
> >
> >
> > > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > > steering too.
> > >
> > I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> > discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> > wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
> >
> >
> > > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was
going
> > > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> > >
> > I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen
at
> > idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> > lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
> tend
> > to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch.
My
> > fan is fixed to the pulley.
> >
> >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
>
steady. If the front tires are moving as they would in a Death Wobble, then
you would definitely feel it in the steering wheel.
It is sounding like you have issues with the drivetrain balancing, or maybe
even bent.
<ABanks5@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12Ypb.9300$gD1.3979@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the
body.
> The wheel is as steady as can be.
> I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
> pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
> joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it
in
> for a good alignment.
> Allen
>
>
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the
firewall,
> > > check that.
> > >
> > This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> > either tire against the curb.
> >
> >
> > > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > > steering too.
> > >
> > I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> > discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> > wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
> >
> >
> > > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was
going
> > > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> > >
> > I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen
at
> > idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> > lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
> tend
> > to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch.
My
> > fan is fixed to the pulley.
> >
> >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
>
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
You have something different than ball joints if the steering wheel is
steady. If the front tires are moving as they would in a Death Wobble, then
you would definitely feel it in the steering wheel.
It is sounding like you have issues with the drivetrain balancing, or maybe
even bent.
<ABanks5@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12Ypb.9300$gD1.3979@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the
body.
> The wheel is as steady as can be.
> I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
> pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
> joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it
in
> for a good alignment.
> Allen
>
>
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the
firewall,
> > > check that.
> > >
> > This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> > either tire against the curb.
> >
> >
> > > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > > steering too.
> > >
> > I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> > discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> > wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
> >
> >
> > > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was
going
> > > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> > >
> > I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen
at
> > idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> > lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
> tend
> > to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch.
My
> > fan is fixed to the pulley.
> >
> >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
>
steady. If the front tires are moving as they would in a Death Wobble, then
you would definitely feel it in the steering wheel.
It is sounding like you have issues with the drivetrain balancing, or maybe
even bent.
<ABanks5@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12Ypb.9300$gD1.3979@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the
body.
> The wheel is as steady as can be.
> I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
> pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
> joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it
in
> for a good alignment.
> Allen
>
>
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the
firewall,
> > > check that.
> > >
> > This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> > either tire against the curb.
> >
> >
> > > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > > steering too.
> > >
> > I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> > discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> > wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
> >
> >
> > > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was
going
> > > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> > >
> > I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen
at
> > idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> > lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
> tend
> > to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch.
My
> > fan is fixed to the pulley.
> >
> >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
>
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
You have something different than ball joints if the steering wheel is
steady. If the front tires are moving as they would in a Death Wobble, then
you would definitely feel it in the steering wheel.
It is sounding like you have issues with the drivetrain balancing, or maybe
even bent.
<ABanks5@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12Ypb.9300$gD1.3979@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the
body.
> The wheel is as steady as can be.
> I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
> pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
> joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it
in
> for a good alignment.
> Allen
>
>
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the
firewall,
> > > check that.
> > >
> > This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> > either tire against the curb.
> >
> >
> > > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > > steering too.
> > >
> > I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> > discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> > wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
> >
> >
> > > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was
going
> > > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> > >
> > I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen
at
> > idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> > lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
> tend
> > to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch.
My
> > fan is fixed to the pulley.
> >
> >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
>
steady. If the front tires are moving as they would in a Death Wobble, then
you would definitely feel it in the steering wheel.
It is sounding like you have issues with the drivetrain balancing, or maybe
even bent.
<ABanks5@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12Ypb.9300$gD1.3979@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> It's funny but there is no shake in the wheel at all,..it's all in the
body.
> The wheel is as steady as can be.
> I don't have a fan clutch and the fan is sturdy (to the water
> pump...bearings all good). I think I'm going to try and replace the ball
> joints/tie rods myself (this should be fun....never done it) then take it
in
> for a good alignment.
> Allen
>
>
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vqgibmmf4qh8bd@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FA84237.8A8B5988@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have a u-joint in the steering column just in front of the
firewall,
> > > check that.
> > >
> > This is a good one that I forgot about. You can see this when you have
> > either tire against the curb.
> >
> >
> > > Motor/tranny mounts bad can set up a harmonic shake you feel in the
> > > steering too.
> > >
> > I wouldn't have thought of this. Infact, I came close to telling him to
> > discount this. I think I see where youare coming from on this one, but
> > wouldn't the vibration be at a higher frequency than a steering anomoly?
> >
> >
> > > So can a shot rad fan clutch. When mine went bad I thought I was
going
> > > to lose a tire or something it shook so bad.
> > >
> > I would have thought this would be a visible problem that could be seen
at
> > idle. I'm thinking of the fan being off center or something along those
> > lines, and the fan would generate a high frequency vibration as well. I
> tend
> > to forget about what the fan can do because I haven't got a fan clutch.
My
> > fan is fixed to the pulley.
> >
> >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
>
#35
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Re: Suspension frustration!
Man, when my box was loose... no shimmy... just all over the road (at any
speed)! Very scary... and difficult to drive.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
speed)! Very scary... and difficult to drive.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
#36
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Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
Man, when my box was loose... no shimmy... just all over the road (at any
speed)! Very scary... and difficult to drive.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
speed)! Very scary... and difficult to drive.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
Man, when my box was loose... no shimmy... just all over the road (at any
speed)! Very scary... and difficult to drive.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
speed)! Very scary... and difficult to drive.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
#38
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Re: Suspension frustration!
BTW... could explain the "wandering". Easy to check... get a buddy to rack
the steering wheel back and forth... watch the box for movement. Typical
for CJ's to crack mounts or break loose frame weld nuts.
JimG
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
the steering wheel back and forth... watch the box for movement. Typical
for CJ's to crack mounts or break loose frame weld nuts.
JimG
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
BTW... could explain the "wandering". Easy to check... get a buddy to rack
the steering wheel back and forth... watch the box for movement. Typical
for CJ's to crack mounts or break loose frame weld nuts.
JimG
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
the steering wheel back and forth... watch the box for movement. Typical
for CJ's to crack mounts or break loose frame weld nuts.
JimG
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Suspension frustration!
BTW... could explain the "wandering". Easy to check... get a buddy to rack
the steering wheel back and forth... watch the box for movement. Typical
for CJ's to crack mounts or break loose frame weld nuts.
JimG
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>
the steering wheel back and forth... watch the box for movement. Typical
for CJ's to crack mounts or break loose frame weld nuts.
JimG
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo9ga601001@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Most points have already been covered here, but another thought, is the
> steering box mount loose or cracked anywhere?
>