Steel vs Alloy rims
07-31-2004, 10:49 AM
#21
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
anyway.
I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
are mutually exclusive.
Bob in Ma
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
anyway.
I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
are mutually exclusive.
Bob in Ma
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
07-31-2004, 01:45 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
That's the best way.
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bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
07-31-2004, 01:45 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
That's the best way.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
07-31-2004, 01:45 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
That's the best way.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
07-31-2004, 01:45 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
That's the best way.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bob ackley wrote:
>
> I dunno, but I would rather have a cheap steel rim I can beat back into
> shape with a hammer if need be. When you get into the larger size tires, the
> percentage of weight you save with alloy vs steel can't be that great
> anyway.
>
> I have 2 sets of tires. Light aluminum wheels on 33x9.5 BFG AT's for steet
> use, and cheapie steelies for my Swampers.
> IMHO, you can't have one set that does well in both environments, the goals
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> Bob in Ma
07-31-2004, 02:11 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
Matt, I have had two sets of aftermarket non-forged aluminum wheels on my
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
07-31-2004, 02:11 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
Matt, I have had two sets of aftermarket non-forged aluminum wheels on my
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
07-31-2004, 02:11 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
Matt, I have had two sets of aftermarket non-forged aluminum wheels on my
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
07-31-2004, 02:11 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
Matt, I have had two sets of aftermarket non-forged aluminum wheels on my
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
rock-crawling Jeep... American Eagle and American Racing. Both have
suffered a few dents while rock crawling and I used a big hammer (a BFH!) to
straighten the dents out on both sets of wheels. While some Jeepers may
have suffered a cracked aluminum wheel from removing dents, I never have
personally have. So far as suffering dents, the trails I run are anything
but mild.
But the aluminum dented nowhere nearly as badly nor as often as my steel
wheels did. My aluminum wheels dented once or twice over several years
while my steel wheels seemed to get multiple dents each rock crawling trip!
I went from American Eagle aluminum wheels to the steel wheels and
immediately noticed how much more dent-prone the steel wheels were. It took
me about 18 months of that to finally say 'enough' and go back to aluminum.
If I could afford forged aluminum I would quickly go that way... but I can't
so I happily run non-forged aluminum wheels without problem.
By the way... what are the most popular wheels for hard core rock crawling
and bead locks? Aluminum... non-forged aluminum too. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:559ng0thihcrbo36ufru82trrnf3o57rnt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:56:12 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@***.net> wrote:
>
> >This can't be the hard-core offroader Matt Osborn I know. :)
> >
> >Good quality aluminum wheels don't bend as easily offroad as steel wheels
do
> >(personal experience backs that up big time), aluminum is lighter so
there
> >is less unsprung weight, aluminum doesn't rust and need painting after
every
> >tough offroading trip and forged aluminum wheels are actually stronger
than
> >the equivilent steel wheel.
>
> I thought bending was an advantage; the allow would break rather than
> bend.
07-31-2004, 02:55 PM
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Re: Steel vs Alloy rims
With Aluminum you have to make sure to re-torque your lug nuts every so
often or else they come loose. I lost a wheel that way once...
BTW, I have 15" PCW (Panther Custom Wheels) EMR050 rims with 31x10.50 BFG
ATs
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> So what's the scoop? Steel is stronger, not as brittle and heavier
> than aluminum.
>
> For a Jeep, what's the point of alloy wheels?
often or else they come loose. I lost a wheel that way once...
BTW, I have 15" PCW (Panther Custom Wheels) EMR050 rims with 31x10.50 BFG
ATs
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:an6mg0pt0asu3do57ovi727f2to6bt26mj@4ax.com...
> So what's the scoop? Steel is stronger, not as brittle and heavier
> than aluminum.
>
> For a Jeep, what's the point of alloy wheels?