Slant Six in Jeep?
09-19-2005, 01:02 AM
#11
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
>
>>With Propane? :-) That reminds me the telephone company used to
>>Dodge propane vans, boy they didn't last long.
>> I don't think there's enough room unless you moved it over to the
>>left side and then you would have to use the stronger Dana 20 or 300 to
>>run the drivetrain down the right side:
>>
>
>
> Propane wouldn't make any difference as far as the engine installation
> went. I had a Slant Six telco truck, but there was no evidence it was
> ever a propane burner. Charles Chips, the potato chip people, had
> propane Slant Six van-chassis trucks and after having all the heads
> redone for the valve seats they went a long, long, long time on
> propane. I'm guessing some of them went 500K before falling apart.
> Apparently out of a 500 truck fleet they had one lower end failure in
> all that time. Cam lobes would start going and they'd change the cam,
> lifters, and oil pump but the cranks and rods were in factory specs
> after that much mileage. They used propane, Franz asspaper oil filters
> (in addition to stock) and specially modified surface gap plugs in some
> engines.
>
> Wonder what happened to Charles Chips?
>
Don't know how their vans are powered, but they show up at my office
(West Los Angeles..Brentwood to be more exact) about once a week. Those
folks too feeble to walk accross the street to Ralphs buy snacks from
them for way too much money. In other words, they are stil around.
The vans, from what i can see, are pretty old delivery vans, but I have
no idea how they are powered.
Regards,
DAve
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
>
>>With Propane? :-) That reminds me the telephone company used to
>>Dodge propane vans, boy they didn't last long.
>> I don't think there's enough room unless you moved it over to the
>>left side and then you would have to use the stronger Dana 20 or 300 to
>>run the drivetrain down the right side:
>>
>
>
> Propane wouldn't make any difference as far as the engine installation
> went. I had a Slant Six telco truck, but there was no evidence it was
> ever a propane burner. Charles Chips, the potato chip people, had
> propane Slant Six van-chassis trucks and after having all the heads
> redone for the valve seats they went a long, long, long time on
> propane. I'm guessing some of them went 500K before falling apart.
> Apparently out of a 500 truck fleet they had one lower end failure in
> all that time. Cam lobes would start going and they'd change the cam,
> lifters, and oil pump but the cranks and rods were in factory specs
> after that much mileage. They used propane, Franz asspaper oil filters
> (in addition to stock) and specially modified surface gap plugs in some
> engines.
>
> Wonder what happened to Charles Chips?
>
Don't know how their vans are powered, but they show up at my office
(West Los Angeles..Brentwood to be more exact) about once a week. Those
folks too feeble to walk accross the street to Ralphs buy snacks from
them for way too much money. In other words, they are stil around.
The vans, from what i can see, are pretty old delivery vans, but I have
no idea how they are powered.
Regards,
DAve
09-19-2005, 01:02 AM
#12
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
>
>>With Propane? :-) That reminds me the telephone company used to
>>Dodge propane vans, boy they didn't last long.
>> I don't think there's enough room unless you moved it over to the
>>left side and then you would have to use the stronger Dana 20 or 300 to
>>run the drivetrain down the right side:
>>
>
>
> Propane wouldn't make any difference as far as the engine installation
> went. I had a Slant Six telco truck, but there was no evidence it was
> ever a propane burner. Charles Chips, the potato chip people, had
> propane Slant Six van-chassis trucks and after having all the heads
> redone for the valve seats they went a long, long, long time on
> propane. I'm guessing some of them went 500K before falling apart.
> Apparently out of a 500 truck fleet they had one lower end failure in
> all that time. Cam lobes would start going and they'd change the cam,
> lifters, and oil pump but the cranks and rods were in factory specs
> after that much mileage. They used propane, Franz asspaper oil filters
> (in addition to stock) and specially modified surface gap plugs in some
> engines.
>
> Wonder what happened to Charles Chips?
>
Don't know how their vans are powered, but they show up at my office
(West Los Angeles..Brentwood to be more exact) about once a week. Those
folks too feeble to walk accross the street to Ralphs buy snacks from
them for way too much money. In other words, they are stil around.
The vans, from what i can see, are pretty old delivery vans, but I have
no idea how they are powered.
Regards,
DAve
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
>
>>With Propane? :-) That reminds me the telephone company used to
>>Dodge propane vans, boy they didn't last long.
>> I don't think there's enough room unless you moved it over to the
>>left side and then you would have to use the stronger Dana 20 or 300 to
>>run the drivetrain down the right side:
>>
>
>
> Propane wouldn't make any difference as far as the engine installation
> went. I had a Slant Six telco truck, but there was no evidence it was
> ever a propane burner. Charles Chips, the potato chip people, had
> propane Slant Six van-chassis trucks and after having all the heads
> redone for the valve seats they went a long, long, long time on
> propane. I'm guessing some of them went 500K before falling apart.
> Apparently out of a 500 truck fleet they had one lower end failure in
> all that time. Cam lobes would start going and they'd change the cam,
> lifters, and oil pump but the cranks and rods were in factory specs
> after that much mileage. They used propane, Franz asspaper oil filters
> (in addition to stock) and specially modified surface gap plugs in some
> engines.
>
> Wonder what happened to Charles Chips?
>
Don't know how their vans are powered, but they show up at my office
(West Los Angeles..Brentwood to be more exact) about once a week. Those
folks too feeble to walk accross the street to Ralphs buy snacks from
them for way too much money. In other words, they are stil around.
The vans, from what i can see, are pretty old delivery vans, but I have
no idea how they are powered.
Regards,
DAve
09-19-2005, 01:02 AM
#13
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
>
>>With Propane? :-) That reminds me the telephone company used to
>>Dodge propane vans, boy they didn't last long.
>> I don't think there's enough room unless you moved it over to the
>>left side and then you would have to use the stronger Dana 20 or 300 to
>>run the drivetrain down the right side:
>>
>
>
> Propane wouldn't make any difference as far as the engine installation
> went. I had a Slant Six telco truck, but there was no evidence it was
> ever a propane burner. Charles Chips, the potato chip people, had
> propane Slant Six van-chassis trucks and after having all the heads
> redone for the valve seats they went a long, long, long time on
> propane. I'm guessing some of them went 500K before falling apart.
> Apparently out of a 500 truck fleet they had one lower end failure in
> all that time. Cam lobes would start going and they'd change the cam,
> lifters, and oil pump but the cranks and rods were in factory specs
> after that much mileage. They used propane, Franz asspaper oil filters
> (in addition to stock) and specially modified surface gap plugs in some
> engines.
>
> Wonder what happened to Charles Chips?
>
Don't know how their vans are powered, but they show up at my office
(West Los Angeles..Brentwood to be more exact) about once a week. Those
folks too feeble to walk accross the street to Ralphs buy snacks from
them for way too much money. In other words, they are stil around.
The vans, from what i can see, are pretty old delivery vans, but I have
no idea how they are powered.
Regards,
DAve
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
>
>>With Propane? :-) That reminds me the telephone company used to
>>Dodge propane vans, boy they didn't last long.
>> I don't think there's enough room unless you moved it over to the
>>left side and then you would have to use the stronger Dana 20 or 300 to
>>run the drivetrain down the right side:
>>
>
>
> Propane wouldn't make any difference as far as the engine installation
> went. I had a Slant Six telco truck, but there was no evidence it was
> ever a propane burner. Charles Chips, the potato chip people, had
> propane Slant Six van-chassis trucks and after having all the heads
> redone for the valve seats they went a long, long, long time on
> propane. I'm guessing some of them went 500K before falling apart.
> Apparently out of a 500 truck fleet they had one lower end failure in
> all that time. Cam lobes would start going and they'd change the cam,
> lifters, and oil pump but the cranks and rods were in factory specs
> after that much mileage. They used propane, Franz asspaper oil filters
> (in addition to stock) and specially modified surface gap plugs in some
> engines.
>
> Wonder what happened to Charles Chips?
>
Don't know how their vans are powered, but they show up at my office
(West Los Angeles..Brentwood to be more exact) about once a week. Those
folks too feeble to walk accross the street to Ralphs buy snacks from
them for way too much money. In other words, they are stil around.
The vans, from what i can see, are pretty old delivery vans, but I have
no idea how they are powered.
Regards,
DAve
09-19-2005, 09:00 AM
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
You would have to cast your own bell housing, make an adapter plate, or find
a Dodge 4WD transmission that fit your transfer case. This is all basically
a waste of time, given that the parts are readily available for Chevy small
block, AMC inline 6, AMC V8, or Ford small block. If you really want a 6,
that is not AMC design, then the Chevy 6 bolts up to the same bell housing
as the V8. In my opinion, a Dodge 318, or later designation 5.2 Magnum, is
a more interesting choice, but still you have to find all the parts. The
last time I looked, your friendly local Chrysler products dealer could sell
you a 300 HP Magnum V8, "not for street use". The transmission and clutch
housing could come from a Dodge 4WD pickup. If you are dead set on putting
a Chrysler product 6 cylinder in there, how about a Magnum V6? Same amount
of work as the V8, same adapter, but less power, maybe more economical.
The first Jeep conversion I looked at, came to us with a Ford 292, with the
Ford clutch housing, cleverly bolted to the Jeep transmission, using an
adapter welded together out of angle iron. The bolts, which were undersized
for the application, would shake loose every two weeks or so. It convinced
me, that this sort of endeavor was somehow unnatural. The cast aluminum
transmission adapter, that someone found at a mail order house (this was
1976) did little to "enlighten" me, as to the benefits of inter-make vehicle
engine swaps. You would have to have a compelling reason to do the swap,
such as a radical difference in reliability or power of the donated engine,
to make it worth my while, to be involved in another of these.
Availability of a propane input device, carburetor or whatever it is called,
wouldn't really do it for me. But as Bill says, "Blow yourself up, have a
good time!"
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
>
a Dodge 4WD transmission that fit your transfer case. This is all basically
a waste of time, given that the parts are readily available for Chevy small
block, AMC inline 6, AMC V8, or Ford small block. If you really want a 6,
that is not AMC design, then the Chevy 6 bolts up to the same bell housing
as the V8. In my opinion, a Dodge 318, or later designation 5.2 Magnum, is
a more interesting choice, but still you have to find all the parts. The
last time I looked, your friendly local Chrysler products dealer could sell
you a 300 HP Magnum V8, "not for street use". The transmission and clutch
housing could come from a Dodge 4WD pickup. If you are dead set on putting
a Chrysler product 6 cylinder in there, how about a Magnum V6? Same amount
of work as the V8, same adapter, but less power, maybe more economical.
The first Jeep conversion I looked at, came to us with a Ford 292, with the
Ford clutch housing, cleverly bolted to the Jeep transmission, using an
adapter welded together out of angle iron. The bolts, which were undersized
for the application, would shake loose every two weeks or so. It convinced
me, that this sort of endeavor was somehow unnatural. The cast aluminum
transmission adapter, that someone found at a mail order house (this was
1976) did little to "enlighten" me, as to the benefits of inter-make vehicle
engine swaps. You would have to have a compelling reason to do the swap,
such as a radical difference in reliability or power of the donated engine,
to make it worth my while, to be involved in another of these.
Availability of a propane input device, carburetor or whatever it is called,
wouldn't really do it for me. But as Bill says, "Blow yourself up, have a
good time!"
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
>
09-19-2005, 09:00 AM
#18
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
You would have to cast your own bell housing, make an adapter plate, or find
a Dodge 4WD transmission that fit your transfer case. This is all basically
a waste of time, given that the parts are readily available for Chevy small
block, AMC inline 6, AMC V8, or Ford small block. If you really want a 6,
that is not AMC design, then the Chevy 6 bolts up to the same bell housing
as the V8. In my opinion, a Dodge 318, or later designation 5.2 Magnum, is
a more interesting choice, but still you have to find all the parts. The
last time I looked, your friendly local Chrysler products dealer could sell
you a 300 HP Magnum V8, "not for street use". The transmission and clutch
housing could come from a Dodge 4WD pickup. If you are dead set on putting
a Chrysler product 6 cylinder in there, how about a Magnum V6? Same amount
of work as the V8, same adapter, but less power, maybe more economical.
The first Jeep conversion I looked at, came to us with a Ford 292, with the
Ford clutch housing, cleverly bolted to the Jeep transmission, using an
adapter welded together out of angle iron. The bolts, which were undersized
for the application, would shake loose every two weeks or so. It convinced
me, that this sort of endeavor was somehow unnatural. The cast aluminum
transmission adapter, that someone found at a mail order house (this was
1976) did little to "enlighten" me, as to the benefits of inter-make vehicle
engine swaps. You would have to have a compelling reason to do the swap,
such as a radical difference in reliability or power of the donated engine,
to make it worth my while, to be involved in another of these.
Availability of a propane input device, carburetor or whatever it is called,
wouldn't really do it for me. But as Bill says, "Blow yourself up, have a
good time!"
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
>
a Dodge 4WD transmission that fit your transfer case. This is all basically
a waste of time, given that the parts are readily available for Chevy small
block, AMC inline 6, AMC V8, or Ford small block. If you really want a 6,
that is not AMC design, then the Chevy 6 bolts up to the same bell housing
as the V8. In my opinion, a Dodge 318, or later designation 5.2 Magnum, is
a more interesting choice, but still you have to find all the parts. The
last time I looked, your friendly local Chrysler products dealer could sell
you a 300 HP Magnum V8, "not for street use". The transmission and clutch
housing could come from a Dodge 4WD pickup. If you are dead set on putting
a Chrysler product 6 cylinder in there, how about a Magnum V6? Same amount
of work as the V8, same adapter, but less power, maybe more economical.
The first Jeep conversion I looked at, came to us with a Ford 292, with the
Ford clutch housing, cleverly bolted to the Jeep transmission, using an
adapter welded together out of angle iron. The bolts, which were undersized
for the application, would shake loose every two weeks or so. It convinced
me, that this sort of endeavor was somehow unnatural. The cast aluminum
transmission adapter, that someone found at a mail order house (this was
1976) did little to "enlighten" me, as to the benefits of inter-make vehicle
engine swaps. You would have to have a compelling reason to do the swap,
such as a radical difference in reliability or power of the donated engine,
to make it worth my while, to be involved in another of these.
Availability of a propane input device, carburetor or whatever it is called,
wouldn't really do it for me. But as Bill says, "Blow yourself up, have a
good time!"
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
>
09-19-2005, 09:00 AM
#19
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
You would have to cast your own bell housing, make an adapter plate, or find
a Dodge 4WD transmission that fit your transfer case. This is all basically
a waste of time, given that the parts are readily available for Chevy small
block, AMC inline 6, AMC V8, or Ford small block. If you really want a 6,
that is not AMC design, then the Chevy 6 bolts up to the same bell housing
as the V8. In my opinion, a Dodge 318, or later designation 5.2 Magnum, is
a more interesting choice, but still you have to find all the parts. The
last time I looked, your friendly local Chrysler products dealer could sell
you a 300 HP Magnum V8, "not for street use". The transmission and clutch
housing could come from a Dodge 4WD pickup. If you are dead set on putting
a Chrysler product 6 cylinder in there, how about a Magnum V6? Same amount
of work as the V8, same adapter, but less power, maybe more economical.
The first Jeep conversion I looked at, came to us with a Ford 292, with the
Ford clutch housing, cleverly bolted to the Jeep transmission, using an
adapter welded together out of angle iron. The bolts, which were undersized
for the application, would shake loose every two weeks or so. It convinced
me, that this sort of endeavor was somehow unnatural. The cast aluminum
transmission adapter, that someone found at a mail order house (this was
1976) did little to "enlighten" me, as to the benefits of inter-make vehicle
engine swaps. You would have to have a compelling reason to do the swap,
such as a radical difference in reliability or power of the donated engine,
to make it worth my while, to be involved in another of these.
Availability of a propane input device, carburetor or whatever it is called,
wouldn't really do it for me. But as Bill says, "Blow yourself up, have a
good time!"
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
>
a Dodge 4WD transmission that fit your transfer case. This is all basically
a waste of time, given that the parts are readily available for Chevy small
block, AMC inline 6, AMC V8, or Ford small block. If you really want a 6,
that is not AMC design, then the Chevy 6 bolts up to the same bell housing
as the V8. In my opinion, a Dodge 318, or later designation 5.2 Magnum, is
a more interesting choice, but still you have to find all the parts. The
last time I looked, your friendly local Chrysler products dealer could sell
you a 300 HP Magnum V8, "not for street use". The transmission and clutch
housing could come from a Dodge 4WD pickup. If you are dead set on putting
a Chrysler product 6 cylinder in there, how about a Magnum V6? Same amount
of work as the V8, same adapter, but less power, maybe more economical.
The first Jeep conversion I looked at, came to us with a Ford 292, with the
Ford clutch housing, cleverly bolted to the Jeep transmission, using an
adapter welded together out of angle iron. The bolts, which were undersized
for the application, would shake loose every two weeks or so. It convinced
me, that this sort of endeavor was somehow unnatural. The cast aluminum
transmission adapter, that someone found at a mail order house (this was
1976) did little to "enlighten" me, as to the benefits of inter-make vehicle
engine swaps. You would have to have a compelling reason to do the swap,
such as a radical difference in reliability or power of the donated engine,
to make it worth my while, to be involved in another of these.
Availability of a propane input device, carburetor or whatever it is called,
wouldn't really do it for me. But as Bill says, "Blow yourself up, have a
good time!"
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
>
09-19-2005, 02:43 PM
#20
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Re: Slant Six in Jeep?
Why?
Would a Slant Six give better mileage than the 4.0L? Remember, you Jeep has
all of the aerodynamics of a brick. Making a brick get good gas mileage is
nearly impossible. I don't think the anemic Slant Six will give you any
better fuel mileage.
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>
Would a Slant Six give better mileage than the 4.0L? Remember, you Jeep has
all of the aerodynamics of a brick. Making a brick get good gas mileage is
nearly impossible. I don't think the anemic Slant Six will give you any
better fuel mileage.
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127095819.582005.178960@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Trying to keep it all in the family, like the OM 617, but with a gas
> burner, if for some reason someone wasn't happy with the fine 4 liter
> or 258 Jeep engine, has anyone put a Slant Six in a Jeep out there?
>