Rich Hampel

Take a hard look at the tread on the Goodyear MTR that were on the
front . Examine the tread near the 'inside' margin and see if there
isnt a wavy pattern in just the 'inside' area of tread. If so you have
probably a loose track bar or trackbar frame mount, etc. ... or even a
worn out steering damper.

Ditto on the mismatched tires on a 4X4, besides being illegal in most
places the strain that this mismatch (size) will put on the drive train
can be severe resulting in exptreme differential pressure, rapdily worn
diff. bearings, etc.
It s a good practice to rotate 5 tires to keep them all at the SAME
diameter ... and if you ever 'lose' one you will have an exact size
spare.


In article <4177BDC1.3E73DB32@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> You are describing a bad u-joint on a totally illegal (in Canada anyway)
> Cherokee. It has 2 u-joints on the back driveshaft, 3 on the front
> driveshaft and one behind each front wheel.
>
> Just a heads up for you. If you get in an accident that is bad enough
> to have the police come to and they inspect the vehicle, 'You' will be
> found 'at fault' in the accident because you have mis matched tires on a
> 4x4.
>
> No if's, and's, but's or maybe's.
>
> If someone is injured or dies, this can turn an 'accident' into
> vehicular homicide.
>
> I have been there and was told this by the police that inspected my
> Cherokee and by my insurance company. Mine passed and the other person
> was found 'at fault'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to mention that it does not change with variation in engine speed,
> > and happens when cruzing, seems to get better or vanish when accelerating.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > carl
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41770b43_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > My 89 Cherokee 4dr 4wd had new Goodyear MTR's in the rear, and old toyo
> > > 800's up front when I got it. There was a SLIGHT ocsciallting shaking felt
> > > in the cab, (the steering wheel did not shake) at speeds of 60+mph.
> > Braking
> > > was straight.
> > >
> > > I switched the Toyo's to the rear and the GY's to the front to attempt to
> > > diagnose the problem. The shaking changed, and could then be felt more at
> > > the rear of the vehicle. The Toyo's were well worn and did not match the
> > > GY's in terms of tread pattern, so I decided to replace them, hoping they
> > > were not good and would solve the shaking problem.
> > >
> > > I had Les Schwab put two Dean "Grabber" tires on the rear. Same size as
> > the
> > > GY's (215/75R15) All 4 tires were balanced, and 20 new lug nuts were added
> > > as the old ones had lost all thier caps.
> > >
> > > Then, with the GY's up front the Deans in the rear, there was a bad
> > shaking
> > > in the steering wheel as well as the rest of the Jeep at 45+ mph.
> > >
> > > I stopped at another Les Schwab about 15 miles from the original, and had
> > > the balance on all 4 tires checked. The rears were "out of balance" and
> > were
> > > re-balanced free of charge. The shaking is still present at 45+mph, is
> > > better than after I got the new tires but is WORSE than before I changed
> > > anything to begin with. The truck also pulls right when braking now.
> > >
> > > The manager at the original Les Schwab (A very nice guy), said that he
> > > suspects my driveshaft is the problem, the new tires have nothing to do
> > with
> > > the brake problem. I don't understand how if it was a suspension problem,
> > it
> > > would be exaggerated by new tires? Could the old tires have been
> > > compensating for this somehow?
> > >
> > > The Jeep goes back to the original Les Schwab tomorrow to have the front
> > and
> > > rear suspension checked out, as well as the drivelines checked out.
> > >
> > > Any and all opinions/advice welcomed.
> > >
> > >

Rich Hampel

Take a hard look at the tread on the Goodyear MTR that were on the
front . Examine the tread near the 'inside' margin and see if there
isnt a wavy pattern in just the 'inside' area of tread. If so you have
probably a loose track bar or trackbar frame mount, etc. ... or even a
worn out steering damper.

Ditto on the mismatched tires on a 4X4, besides being illegal in most
places the strain that this mismatch (size) will put on the drive train
can be severe resulting in exptreme differential pressure, rapdily worn
diff. bearings, etc.
It s a good practice to rotate 5 tires to keep them all at the SAME
diameter ... and if you ever 'lose' one you will have an exact size
spare.


In article <4177BDC1.3E73DB32@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> You are describing a bad u-joint on a totally illegal (in Canada anyway)
> Cherokee. It has 2 u-joints on the back driveshaft, 3 on the front
> driveshaft and one behind each front wheel.
>
> Just a heads up for you. If you get in an accident that is bad enough
> to have the police come to and they inspect the vehicle, 'You' will be
> found 'at fault' in the accident because you have mis matched tires on a
> 4x4.
>
> No if's, and's, but's or maybe's.
>
> If someone is injured or dies, this can turn an 'accident' into
> vehicular homicide.
>
> I have been there and was told this by the police that inspected my
> Cherokee and by my insurance company. Mine passed and the other person
> was found 'at fault'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to mention that it does not change with variation in engine speed,
> > and happens when cruzing, seems to get better or vanish when accelerating.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > carl
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41770b43_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > My 89 Cherokee 4dr 4wd had new Goodyear MTR's in the rear, and old toyo
> > > 800's up front when I got it. There was a SLIGHT ocsciallting shaking felt
> > > in the cab, (the steering wheel did not shake) at speeds of 60+mph.
> > Braking
> > > was straight.
> > >
> > > I switched the Toyo's to the rear and the GY's to the front to attempt to
> > > diagnose the problem. The shaking changed, and could then be felt more at
> > > the rear of the vehicle. The Toyo's were well worn and did not match the
> > > GY's in terms of tread pattern, so I decided to replace them, hoping they
> > > were not good and would solve the shaking problem.
> > >
> > > I had Les Schwab put two Dean "Grabber" tires on the rear. Same size as
> > the
> > > GY's (215/75R15) All 4 tires were balanced, and 20 new lug nuts were added
> > > as the old ones had lost all thier caps.
> > >
> > > Then, with the GY's up front the Deans in the rear, there was a bad
> > shaking
> > > in the steering wheel as well as the rest of the Jeep at 45+ mph.
> > >
> > > I stopped at another Les Schwab about 15 miles from the original, and had
> > > the balance on all 4 tires checked. The rears were "out of balance" and
> > were
> > > re-balanced free of charge. The shaking is still present at 45+mph, is
> > > better than after I got the new tires but is WORSE than before I changed
> > > anything to begin with. The truck also pulls right when braking now.
> > >
> > > The manager at the original Les Schwab (A very nice guy), said that he
> > > suspects my driveshaft is the problem, the new tires have nothing to do
> > with
> > > the brake problem. I don't understand how if it was a suspension problem,
> > it
> > > would be exaggerated by new tires? Could the old tires have been
> > > compensating for this somehow?
> > >
> > > The Jeep goes back to the original Les Schwab tomorrow to have the front
> > and
> > > rear suspension checked out, as well as the drivelines checked out.
> > >
> > > Any and all opinions/advice welcomed.
> > >
> > >

Carl Saiyed

Thanks for the tips. The Toyo's were the ones on the front, thier wear
appeared normal. A spin and balance cured the problem. All 4 tires are
215/75R15, the rears have 5k miles, the fronts less than 200 miles.

Thanks again..

Carl


"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:221020041340084239%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>
> Take a hard look at the tread on the Goodyear MTR that were on the
> front . Examine the tread near the 'inside' margin and see if there
> isnt a wavy pattern in just the 'inside' area of tread. If so you have
> probably a loose track bar or trackbar frame mount, etc. ... or even a
> worn out steering damper.
>
> Ditto on the mismatched tires on a 4X4, besides being illegal in most
> places the strain that this mismatch (size) will put on the drive train
> can be severe resulting in exptreme differential pressure, rapdily worn
> diff. bearings, etc.
> It s a good practice to rotate 5 tires to keep them all at the SAME
> diameter ... and if you ever 'lose' one you will have an exact size
> spare.
>
>
> In article <4177BDC1.3E73DB32@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > You are describing a bad u-joint on a totally illegal (in Canada anyway)
> > Cherokee. It has 2 u-joints on the back driveshaft, 3 on the front
> > driveshaft and one behind each front wheel.
> >
> > Just a heads up for you. If you get in an accident that is bad enough
> > to have the police come to and they inspect the vehicle, 'You' will be
> > found 'at fault' in the accident because you have mis matched tires on a
> > 4x4.
> >
> > No if's, and's, but's or maybe's.
> >
> > If someone is injured or dies, this can turn an 'accident' into
> > vehicular homicide.
> >
> > I have been there and was told this by the police that inspected my
> > Cherokee and by my insurance company. Mine passed and the other person
> > was found 'at fault'.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention that it does not change with variation in engine
speed,
> > > and happens when cruzing, seems to get better or vanish when
accelerating.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > carl
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:41770b43_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > My 89 Cherokee 4dr 4wd had new Goodyear MTR's in the rear, and old
toyo
> > > > 800's up front when I got it. There was a SLIGHT ocsciallting
shaking felt
> > > > in the cab, (the steering wheel did not shake) at speeds of 60+mph.
> > > Braking
> > > > was straight.
> > > >
> > > > I switched the Toyo's to the rear and the GY's to the front to
attempt to
> > > > diagnose the problem. The shaking changed, and could then be felt
more at
> > > > the rear of the vehicle. The Toyo's were well worn and did not match
the
> > > > GY's in terms of tread pattern, so I decided to replace them, hoping
they
> > > > were not good and would solve the shaking problem.
> > > >
> > > > I had Les Schwab put two Dean "Grabber" tires on the rear. Same size
as
> > > the
> > > > GY's (215/75R15) All 4 tires were balanced, and 20 new lug nuts were
added
> > > > as the old ones had lost all thier caps.
> > > >
> > > > Then, with the GY's up front the Deans in the rear, there was a bad
> > > shaking
> > > > in the steering wheel as well as the rest of the Jeep at 45+ mph.
> > > >
> > > > I stopped at another Les Schwab about 15 miles from the original,
and had
> > > > the balance on all 4 tires checked. The rears were "out of balance"
and
> > > were
> > > > re-balanced free of charge. The shaking is still present at 45+mph,
is
> > > > better than after I got the new tires but is WORSE than before I
changed
> > > > anything to begin with. The truck also pulls right when braking now.
> > > >
> > > > The manager at the original Les Schwab (A very nice guy), said that
he
> > > > suspects my driveshaft is the problem, the new tires have nothing to
do
> > > with
> > > > the brake problem. I don't understand how if it was a suspension
problem,
> > > it
> > > > would be exaggerated by new tires? Could the old tires have been
> > > > compensating for this somehow?
> > > >
> > > > The Jeep goes back to the original Les Schwab tomorrow to have the
front
> > > and
> > > > rear suspension checked out, as well as the drivelines checked out.
> > > >
> > > > Any and all opinions/advice welcomed.
> > > >
> > > >

Carl Saiyed

Thanks for the tips. The Toyo's were the ones on the front, thier wear
appeared normal. A spin and balance cured the problem. All 4 tires are
215/75R15, the rears have 5k miles, the fronts less than 200 miles.

Thanks again..

Carl


"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:221020041340084239%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>
> Take a hard look at the tread on the Goodyear MTR that were on the
> front . Examine the tread near the 'inside' margin and see if there
> isnt a wavy pattern in just the 'inside' area of tread. If so you have
> probably a loose track bar or trackbar frame mount, etc. ... or even a
> worn out steering damper.
>
> Ditto on the mismatched tires on a 4X4, besides being illegal in most
> places the strain that this mismatch (size) will put on the drive train
> can be severe resulting in exptreme differential pressure, rapdily worn
> diff. bearings, etc.
> It s a good practice to rotate 5 tires to keep them all at the SAME
> diameter ... and if you ever 'lose' one you will have an exact size
> spare.
>
>
> In article <4177BDC1.3E73DB32@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > You are describing a bad u-joint on a totally illegal (in Canada anyway)
> > Cherokee. It has 2 u-joints on the back driveshaft, 3 on the front
> > driveshaft and one behind each front wheel.
> >
> > Just a heads up for you. If you get in an accident that is bad enough
> > to have the police come to and they inspect the vehicle, 'You' will be
> > found 'at fault' in the accident because you have mis matched tires on a
> > 4x4.
> >
> > No if's, and's, but's or maybe's.
> >
> > If someone is injured or dies, this can turn an 'accident' into
> > vehicular homicide.
> >
> > I have been there and was told this by the police that inspected my
> > Cherokee and by my insurance company. Mine passed and the other person
> > was found 'at fault'.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention that it does not change with variation in engine
speed,
> > > and happens when cruzing, seems to get better or vanish when
accelerating.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > carl
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:41770b43_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > My 89 Cherokee 4dr 4wd had new Goodyear MTR's in the rear, and old
toyo
> > > > 800's up front when I got it. There was a SLIGHT ocsciallting
shaking felt
> > > > in the cab, (the steering wheel did not shake) at speeds of 60+mph.
> > > Braking
> > > > was straight.
> > > >
> > > > I switched the Toyo's to the rear and the GY's to the front to
attempt to
> > > > diagnose the problem. The shaking changed, and could then be felt
more at
> > > > the rear of the vehicle. The Toyo's were well worn and did not match
the
> > > > GY's in terms of tread pattern, so I decided to replace them, hoping
they
> > > > were not good and would solve the shaking problem.
> > > >
> > > > I had Les Schwab put two Dean "Grabber" tires on the rear. Same size
as
> > > the
> > > > GY's (215/75R15) All 4 tires were balanced, and 20 new lug nuts were
added
> > > > as the old ones had lost all thier caps.
> > > >
> > > > Then, with the GY's up front the Deans in the rear, there was a bad
> > > shaking
> > > > in the steering wheel as well as the rest of the Jeep at 45+ mph.
> > > >
> > > > I stopped at another Les Schwab about 15 miles from the original,
and had
> > > > the balance on all 4 tires checked. The rears were "out of balance"
and
> > > were
> > > > re-balanced free of charge. The shaking is still present at 45+mph,
is
> > > > better than after I got the new tires but is WORSE than before I
changed
> > > > anything to begin with. The truck also pulls right when braking now.
> > > >
> > > > The manager at the original Les Schwab (A very nice guy), said that
he
> > > > suspects my driveshaft is the problem, the new tires have nothing to
do
> > > with
> > > > the brake problem. I don't understand how if it was a suspension
problem,
> > > it
> > > > would be exaggerated by new tires? Could the old tires have been
> > > > compensating for this somehow?
> > > >
> > > > The Jeep goes back to the original Les Schwab tomorrow to have the
front
> > > and
> > > > rear suspension checked out, as well as the drivelines checked out.
> > > >
> > > > Any and all opinions/advice welcomed.
> > > >
> > > >

Carl Saiyed

Thanks for the tips. The Toyo's were the ones on the front, thier wear
appeared normal. A spin and balance cured the problem. All 4 tires are
215/75R15, the rears have 5k miles, the fronts less than 200 miles.

Thanks again..

Carl


"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:221020041340084239%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>
> Take a hard look at the tread on the Goodyear MTR that were on the
> front . Examine the tread near the 'inside' margin and see if there
> isnt a wavy pattern in just the 'inside' area of tread. If so you have
> probably a loose track bar or trackbar frame mount, etc. ... or even a
> worn out steering damper.
>
> Ditto on the mismatched tires on a 4X4, besides being illegal in most
> places the strain that this mismatch (size) will put on the drive train
> can be severe resulting in exptreme differential pressure, rapdily worn
> diff. bearings, etc.
> It s a good practice to rotate 5 tires to keep them all at the SAME
> diameter ... and if you ever 'lose' one you will have an exact size
> spare.
>
>
> In article <4177BDC1.3E73DB32@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > You are describing a bad u-joint on a totally illegal (in Canada anyway)
> > Cherokee. It has 2 u-joints on the back driveshaft, 3 on the front
> > driveshaft and one behind each front wheel.
> >
> > Just a heads up for you. If you get in an accident that is bad enough
> > to have the police come to and they inspect the vehicle, 'You' will be
> > found 'at fault' in the accident because you have mis matched tires on a
> > 4x4.
> >
> > No if's, and's, but's or maybe's.
> >
> > If someone is injured or dies, this can turn an 'accident' into
> > vehicular homicide.
> >
> > I have been there and was told this by the police that inspected my
> > Cherokee and by my insurance company. Mine passed and the other person
> > was found 'at fault'.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention that it does not change with variation in engine
speed,
> > > and happens when cruzing, seems to get better or vanish when
accelerating.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > carl
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:41770b43_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > My 89 Cherokee 4dr 4wd had new Goodyear MTR's in the rear, and old
toyo
> > > > 800's up front when I got it. There was a SLIGHT ocsciallting
shaking felt
> > > > in the cab, (the steering wheel did not shake) at speeds of 60+mph.
> > > Braking
> > > > was straight.
> > > >
> > > > I switched the Toyo's to the rear and the GY's to the front to
attempt to
> > > > diagnose the problem. The shaking changed, and could then be felt
more at
> > > > the rear of the vehicle. The Toyo's were well worn and did not match
the
> > > > GY's in terms of tread pattern, so I decided to replace them, hoping
they
> > > > were not good and would solve the shaking problem.
> > > >
> > > > I had Les Schwab put two Dean "Grabber" tires on the rear. Same size
as
> > > the
> > > > GY's (215/75R15) All 4 tires were balanced, and 20 new lug nuts were
added
> > > > as the old ones had lost all thier caps.
> > > >
> > > > Then, with the GY's up front the Deans in the rear, there was a bad
> > > shaking
> > > > in the steering wheel as well as the rest of the Jeep at 45+ mph.
> > > >
> > > > I stopped at another Les Schwab about 15 miles from the original,
and had
> > > > the balance on all 4 tires checked. The rears were "out of balance"
and
> > > were
> > > > re-balanced free of charge. The shaking is still present at 45+mph,
is
> > > > better than after I got the new tires but is WORSE than before I
changed
> > > > anything to begin with. The truck also pulls right when braking now.
> > > >
> > > > The manager at the original Les Schwab (A very nice guy), said that
he
> > > > suspects my driveshaft is the problem, the new tires have nothing to
do
> > > with
> > > > the brake problem. I don't understand how if it was a suspension
problem,
> > > it
> > > > would be exaggerated by new tires? Could the old tires have been
> > > > compensating for this somehow?
> > > >
> > > > The Jeep goes back to the original Les Schwab tomorrow to have the
front
> > > and
> > > > rear suspension checked out, as well as the drivelines checked out.
> > > >
> > > > Any and all opinions/advice welcomed.
> > > >
> > > >