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Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
That why Real jeep are put on their side:
http://www.----------.com/jeepWorkonSide.jpg Or just pull the trans through the floor boards: http://www.----------.com/temp/cj5floor.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Bill Kearney wrote: > > I've had a trans slip while reinstalling it. No fun having that on your > chest, it'd probably kill you if it fell on your head. |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . but
always be carefull. usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. I >guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. > > Carl > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >> >> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >> threaded rod. >> >> Mike >> >> Will Honea wrote: >>> >>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on >>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size >>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>> > >>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>> > >>> > Mike >>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> > >>> > Carl wrote: >>> > > >>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>> > > new >>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>> > > replacement >>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and >>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>> > > >>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>> > > the >>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>> > > Cut the >>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>> > > can use a >>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four >>> > > mounting >>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>> > > the >>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will >>> > > slide >>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>> > > bearing. >>> > > >>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>> > > >>> > > HTH >>> > > >>> > > Carl >>> > > >>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with >>> > > > the >>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>> > > > started >>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>> > > > up in >>> > > > first also. >>> > > > >>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>> > > > transmission >>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>> > > > to try >>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>> > > > >>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will >>> > > > be >>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell >>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to >>> > > > have >>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>> > > > of >>> > > > their shafts? >>> > > > >>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>> > > > have >>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>> > > > >>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special >>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>> > > > kind >>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly? >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>> > > > >>> >>> -- >>> Will Honea > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . but
always be carefull. usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. I >guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. > > Carl > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >> >> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >> threaded rod. >> >> Mike >> >> Will Honea wrote: >>> >>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on >>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size >>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>> > >>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>> > >>> > Mike >>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> > >>> > Carl wrote: >>> > > >>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>> > > new >>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>> > > replacement >>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and >>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>> > > >>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>> > > the >>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>> > > Cut the >>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>> > > can use a >>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four >>> > > mounting >>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>> > > the >>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will >>> > > slide >>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>> > > bearing. >>> > > >>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>> > > >>> > > HTH >>> > > >>> > > Carl >>> > > >>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with >>> > > > the >>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>> > > > started >>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>> > > > up in >>> > > > first also. >>> > > > >>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>> > > > transmission >>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>> > > > to try >>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>> > > > >>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will >>> > > > be >>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell >>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to >>> > > > have >>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>> > > > of >>> > > > their shafts? >>> > > > >>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>> > > > have >>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>> > > > >>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special >>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>> > > > kind >>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly? >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>> > > > >>> >>> -- >>> Will Honea > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . but
always be carefull. usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. I >guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. > > Carl > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >> >> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >> threaded rod. >> >> Mike >> >> Will Honea wrote: >>> >>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on >>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size >>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>> > >>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>> > >>> > Mike >>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> > >>> > Carl wrote: >>> > > >>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>> > > new >>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>> > > replacement >>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and >>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>> > > >>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>> > > the >>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>> > > Cut the >>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>> > > can use a >>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four >>> > > mounting >>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>> > > the >>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will >>> > > slide >>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>> > > bearing. >>> > > >>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>> > > >>> > > HTH >>> > > >>> > > Carl >>> > > >>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with >>> > > > the >>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>> > > > started >>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>> > > > up in >>> > > > first also. >>> > > > >>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>> > > > transmission >>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>> > > > to try >>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>> > > > >>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will >>> > > > be >>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell >>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to >>> > > > have >>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>> > > > of >>> > > > their shafts? >>> > > > >>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>> > > > have >>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>> > > > >>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special >>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>> > > > kind >>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly? >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>> > > > >>> >>> -- >>> Will Honea > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
You're working too hard.
Carl <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . >but always be carefull. > usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe > > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. >>I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >>> >>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >>> threaded rod. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Will Honea wrote: >>>> >>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one >>>> > on >>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right >>>> > size >>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>>> > >>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> > >>>> > Carl wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>>> > > new >>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>>> > > replacement >>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and >>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>>> > > >>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>>> > > the >>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>>> > > Cut the >>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>>> > > can use a >>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four >>>> > > mounting >>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>>> > > the >>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will >>>> > > slide >>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>>> > > bearing. >>>> > > >>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>>> > > >>>> > > HTH >>>> > > >>>> > > Carl >>>> > > >>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems >>>> > > > with the >>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>>> > > > started >>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>>> > > > up in >>>> > > > first also. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>>> > > > transmission >>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>>> > > > to try >>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will >>>> > > > be >>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who >>>> > > > sell >>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>>> > > > of >>>> > > > their shafts? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any >>>> > > > special >>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>>> > > > kind >>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered >>>> > > > properly? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Will Honea >> >> > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
You're working too hard.
Carl <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . >but always be carefull. > usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe > > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. >>I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >>> >>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >>> threaded rod. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Will Honea wrote: >>>> >>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one >>>> > on >>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right >>>> > size >>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>>> > >>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> > >>>> > Carl wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>>> > > new >>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>>> > > replacement >>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and >>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>>> > > >>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>>> > > the >>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>>> > > Cut the >>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>>> > > can use a >>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four >>>> > > mounting >>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>>> > > the >>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will >>>> > > slide >>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>>> > > bearing. >>>> > > >>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>>> > > >>>> > > HTH >>>> > > >>>> > > Carl >>>> > > >>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems >>>> > > > with the >>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>>> > > > started >>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>>> > > > up in >>>> > > > first also. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>>> > > > transmission >>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>>> > > > to try >>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will >>>> > > > be >>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who >>>> > > > sell >>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>>> > > > of >>>> > > > their shafts? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any >>>> > > > special >>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>>> > > > kind >>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered >>>> > > > properly? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Will Honea >> >> > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
You're working too hard.
Carl <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . >but always be carefull. > usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe > > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. >>I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >>> >>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >>> threaded rod. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Will Honea wrote: >>>> >>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one >>>> > on >>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right >>>> > size >>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>>> > >>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> > >>>> > Carl wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>>> > > new >>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>>> > > replacement >>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and >>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>>> > > >>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>>> > > the >>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>>> > > Cut the >>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>>> > > can use a >>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four >>>> > > mounting >>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>>> > > the >>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will >>>> > > slide >>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>>> > > bearing. >>>> > > >>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>>> > > >>>> > > HTH >>>> > > >>>> > > Carl >>>> > > >>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems >>>> > > > with the >>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>>> > > > started >>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>>> > > > up in >>>> > > > first also. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>>> > > > transmission >>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>>> > > > to try >>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will >>>> > > > be >>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who >>>> > > > sell >>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>>> > > > of >>>> > > > their shafts? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any >>>> > > > special >>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>>> > > > kind >>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered >>>> > > > properly? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Will Honea >> >> > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww old john "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > You're working too hard. > > Carl > > <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . >>but always be carefull. >> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe >> >> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. >>>I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >>>> >>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >>>> threaded rod. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Will Honea wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one >>>>> > on >>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right >>>>> > size >>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>>>> > >>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>>>> > >>>>> > Mike >>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>>>> > > new >>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>>>> > > replacement >>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, >>>>> > > and >>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>>>> > > Cut the >>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>>>> > > can use a >>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower >>>>> > > four mounting >>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it >>>>> > > will slide >>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>>>> > > bearing. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > HTH >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Carl >>>>> > > >>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems >>>>> > > > with the >>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>>>> > > > started >>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>>>> > > > up in >>>>> > > > first also. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>>>> > > > transmission >>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>>>> > > > to try >>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I >>>>> > > > will be >>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who >>>>> > > > sell >>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need >>>>> > > > to have >>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>>>> > > > of >>>>> > > > their shafts? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>>>> > > > have >>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any >>>>> > > > special >>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>>>> > > > kind >>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered >>>>> > > > properly? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>>>> > > > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Will Honea >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww old john "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > You're working too hard. > > Carl > > <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . >>but always be carefull. >> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe >> >> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. >>>I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >>>> >>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >>>> threaded rod. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Will Honea wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one >>>>> > on >>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right >>>>> > size >>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>>>> > >>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>>>> > >>>>> > Mike >>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>>>> > > new >>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>>>> > > replacement >>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, >>>>> > > and >>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>>>> > > Cut the >>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>>>> > > can use a >>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower >>>>> > > four mounting >>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it >>>>> > > will slide >>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>>>> > > bearing. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > HTH >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Carl >>>>> > > >>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems >>>>> > > > with the >>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>>>> > > > started >>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>>>> > > > up in >>>>> > > > first also. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>>>> > > > transmission >>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>>>> > > > to try >>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I >>>>> > > > will be >>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who >>>>> > > > sell >>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need >>>>> > > > to have >>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>>>> > > > of >>>>> > > > their shafts? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>>>> > > > have >>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any >>>>> > > > special >>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>>>> > > > kind >>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered >>>>> > > > properly? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>>>> > > > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Will Honea >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww old john "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > You're working too hard. > > Carl > > <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood . >>but always be carefull. >> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe >> >> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. >>>I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense.. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca... >>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to >>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off.... >>>> >>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the >>>> threaded rod. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Will Honea wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to >>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially >>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt >>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating >>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you >>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a >>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one >>>>> > on >>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right >>>>> > size >>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that. >>>>> > >>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely. >>>>> > >>>>> > Mike >>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a >>>>> > > new >>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM >>>>> > > replacement >>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, >>>>> > > and >>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. >>>>> > > Cut the >>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you >>>>> > > can use a >>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower >>>>> > > four mounting >>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it >>>>> > > will slide >>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot >>>>> > > bearing. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > HTH >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Carl >>>>> > > >>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com... >>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems >>>>> > > > with the >>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it >>>>> > > > started >>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking >>>>> > > > up in >>>>> > > > first also. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the >>>>> > > > transmission >>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense >>>>> > > > to try >>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired >>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.) >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I >>>>> > > > will be >>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who >>>>> > > > sell >>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need >>>>> > > > to have >>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off >>>>> > > > of >>>>> > > > their shafts? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to >>>>> > > > have >>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I >>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any >>>>> > > > special >>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some >>>>> > > > kind >>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered >>>>> > > > properly? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Thanx in advance! >>>>> > > > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Will Honea >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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