Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. I
guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense..

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>
> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
> threaded rod.
>
> Mike
>
> Will Honea wrote:
>>
>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt
>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a
>> > > new
>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>> > > replacement
>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> > >
>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to
>> > > the
>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer.
>> > > Cut the
>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
>> > > use a
>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> > > mounting
>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
>> > > slide
>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> > >
>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> > >
>> > > HTH
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
>> > > > the
>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
>> > > > in
>> > > > first also.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>> > > > transmission
>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
>> > > > try
>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> > > >
>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will
>> > > > be
>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
>> > > > have
>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> > > > their shafts?
>> > > >
>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>> > > > have
>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> > > >
>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> > > > kind
>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>> > > >
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....

I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
threaded rod.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt
> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM replacement
> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >
> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut the
> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can use a
> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four mounting
> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will slide
> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with the
> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up in
> > > > first also.
> > > >
> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the transmission
> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to try
> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > > >
> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to have
> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > > > their shafts?
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > > >
> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx in advance!
> > > >
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....

I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
threaded rod.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt
> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM replacement
> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >
> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut the
> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can use a
> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four mounting
> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will slide
> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with the
> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up in
> > > > first also.
> > > >
> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the transmission
> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to try
> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > > >
> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to have
> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > > > their shafts?
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > > >
> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx in advance!
> > > >
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....

I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
threaded rod.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt
> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM replacement
> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >
> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut the
> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can use a
> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four mounting
> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will slide
> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with the
> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up in
> > > > first also.
> > > >
> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the transmission
> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to try
> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > > >
> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to have
> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > > > their shafts?
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > > >
> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx in advance!
> > > >
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:451DE1F6.F2557E5E@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> said.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> >
> > Earle

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:451DE1F6.F2557E5E@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> said.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> >
> > Earle

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:451DE1F6.F2557E5E@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> said.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> >
> > Earle

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

Hi Earle,
And one of the television car/truck rebuild series I was, suggest
we buy a car lift, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
> jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
> worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:451DE1F6.F2557E5E@cox.net...
> > Hi Earle,
> > I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> > bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> > always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> > said.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> > >
> > > Earle

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

Hi Earle,
And one of the television car/truck rebuild series I was, suggest
we buy a car lift, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
> jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
> worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:451DE1F6.F2557E5E@cox.net...
> > Hi Earle,
> > I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> > bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> > always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> > said.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> > >
> > > Earle

Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
 

Hi Earle,
And one of the television car/truck rebuild series I was, suggest
we buy a car lift, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
> jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
> worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:451DE1F6.F2557E5E@cox.net...
> > Hi Earle,
> > I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> > bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> > always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> > said.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> > >
> > > Earle