I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
mileage with it.

It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.

Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
can get at that from the top to set it back.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
> >
> > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear wouldn't
> > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> >
> > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > too.
> >
> > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my engine
> > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top end
> > power restored.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Could be, but there are two gasses that use that cleaner and my 258 runs
like crap on both of them.

Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit I went a
little richer on the high speed metering rods and then tried that Shell
gas. No help, it still won't burn the crap. All I got was a slight bog
if I stomp it too fast with real gas. At least the adjustment is up top
so I only have to open one plate to get it back.

Mike

RoyJ wrote:
>
> Check it's alcohol content.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >>"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >>
> >>...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> >>>>$150 to have done?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> >>>snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> >>>next several weeks.
> >>
> >>Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> >>the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> >>you don't need... major boondoggle.
> >>__
> >>Steve
> >>.
> >
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
> >
> > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear wouldn't
> > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> >
> > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > too.
> >
> > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my engine
> > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top end
> > power restored.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Could be, but there are two gasses that use that cleaner and my 258 runs
like crap on both of them.

Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit I went a
little richer on the high speed metering rods and then tried that Shell
gas. No help, it still won't burn the crap. All I got was a slight bog
if I stomp it too fast with real gas. At least the adjustment is up top
so I only have to open one plate to get it back.

Mike

RoyJ wrote:
>
> Check it's alcohol content.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >>"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >>
> >>...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> >>>>$150 to have done?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> >>>snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> >>>next several weeks.
> >>
> >>Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> >>the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> >>you don't need... major boondoggle.
> >>__
> >>Steve
> >>.
> >
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
> >
> > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear wouldn't
> > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> >
> > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > too.
> >
> > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my engine
> > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top end
> > power restored.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Could be, but there are two gasses that use that cleaner and my 258 runs
like crap on both of them.

Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit I went a
little richer on the high speed metering rods and then tried that Shell
gas. No help, it still won't burn the crap. All I got was a slight bog
if I stomp it too fast with real gas. At least the adjustment is up top
so I only have to open one plate to get it back.

Mike

RoyJ wrote:
>
> Check it's alcohol content.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >>"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >>
> >>...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> >>>>$150 to have done?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> >>>snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> >>>next several weeks.
> >>
> >>Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> >>the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> >>you don't need... major boondoggle.
> >>__
> >>Steve
> >>.
> >
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
> >
> > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear wouldn't
> > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> >
> > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > too.
> >
> > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my engine
> > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top end
> > power restored.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Could be, but there are two gasses that use that cleaner and my 258 runs
like crap on both of them.

Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit I went a
little richer on the high speed metering rods and then tried that Shell
gas. No help, it still won't burn the crap. All I got was a slight bog
if I stomp it too fast with real gas. At least the adjustment is up top
so I only have to open one plate to get it back.

Mike

RoyJ wrote:
>
> Check it's alcohol content.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >>"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >>
> >>...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> >>>>$150 to have done?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> >>>snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> >>>next several weeks.
> >>
> >>Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> >>the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> >>you don't need... major boondoggle.
> >>__
> >>Steve
> >>.
> >
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
> >
> > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear wouldn't
> > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> >
> > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > too.
> >
> > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my engine
> > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top end
> > power restored.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
worked out at the same cost per mile.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> mileage with it.
>
> It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
>
> Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> can get at that from the top to set it back.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
my
> > > engine went insane!
> > >
> > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
wouldn't
> > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > >
> > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > too.
> > >
> > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
engine
> > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
end
> > > power restored.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
worked out at the same cost per mile.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> mileage with it.
>
> It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
>
> Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> can get at that from the top to set it back.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
my
> > > engine went insane!
> > >
> > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
wouldn't
> > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > >
> > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > too.
> > >
> > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
engine
> > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
end
> > > power restored.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
worked out at the same cost per mile.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> mileage with it.
>
> It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
>
> Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> can get at that from the top to set it back.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
my
> > > engine went insane!
> > >
> > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
wouldn't
> > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > >
> > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > too.
> > >
> > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
engine
> > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
end
> > > power restored.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
worked out at the same cost per mile.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> mileage with it.
>
> It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
>
> Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> can get at that from the top to set it back.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
my
> > > engine went insane!
> > >
> > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
wouldn't
> > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > >
> > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > too.
> > >
> > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
engine
> > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
end
> > > power restored.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
regular.

For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....

Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.

Mike

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's