On 2005-07-09 42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca said:
>Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******,rec.autos.tech
>Mike Romain proclaimed:
[snip]

>Since Bush Gas, I haven't been able to run Texaco, Chevron, or Shell
>regular in a 95 4.0 without mild ping. Recently the local Valero
>station ran out of midgrade, and it seems that their regular will
>actually run without ping.
I recently noticed the nearby (40 miles away) Diamond Shamrock (soon
to be called Valero) pumps have sprouted gasohol stickers. Small-town
station, no known additive strictures. Seems to run OK, unlike
Albuquerque wintertime-mandated gasohol, which noticably slows my
Honda Civic.

Comment?


Tom Willmon
near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA

Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > $150 to have done?
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > next several weeks.
> >
> > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > __
> > Steve
> > .
>
> I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> engine went insane!

Follow your owner's manual when choosing
octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
betting.
__
Steve
..

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > $150 to have done?
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > next several weeks.
> >
> > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > __
> > Steve
> > .
>
> I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> engine went insane!

Follow your owner's manual when choosing
octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
betting.
__
Steve
..

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > $150 to have done?
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > next several weeks.
> >
> > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > __
> > Steve
> > .
>
> I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> engine went insane!

Follow your owner's manual when choosing
octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
betting.
__
Steve
..

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > $150 to have done?
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > next several weeks.
> >
> > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > __
> > Steve
> > .
>
> I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> engine went insane!

Follow your owner's manual when choosing
octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
betting.
__
Steve
..

 

Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > > $150 to have done?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > > next several weeks.
> > >
> > > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
>
> Follow your owner's manual when choosing
> octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
> betting.
> __
> Steve
> .

It was the additives I am sure. It has happened before.

I was running hot, hard and fully loaded and in those circumstances, my
owners manual calls for high test. My owners manuals both also forbid
any alcohol mix of any kind unless you need a little to get to real gas.

I also have a modified engine set up manually like a 1981 engine would
be with no computer controls and the minimum pollution controls.

It only happens with brands that have that super cleaner in them or too
much alcohol, other high octanes like Esso work great.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > > $150 to have done?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > > next several weeks.
> > >
> > > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
>
> Follow your owner's manual when choosing
> octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
> betting.
> __
> Steve
> .

It was the additives I am sure. It has happened before.

I was running hot, hard and fully loaded and in those circumstances, my
owners manual calls for high test. My owners manuals both also forbid
any alcohol mix of any kind unless you need a little to get to real gas.

I also have a modified engine set up manually like a 1981 engine would
be with no computer controls and the minimum pollution controls.

It only happens with brands that have that super cleaner in them or too
much alcohol, other high octanes like Esso work great.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > > $150 to have done?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > > next several weeks.
> > >
> > > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
>
> Follow your owner's manual when choosing
> octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
> betting.
> __
> Steve
> .

It was the additives I am sure. It has happened before.

I was running hot, hard and fully loaded and in those circumstances, my
owners manual calls for high test. My owners manuals both also forbid
any alcohol mix of any kind unless you need a little to get to real gas.

I also have a modified engine set up manually like a 1981 engine would
be with no computer controls and the minimum pollution controls.

It only happens with brands that have that super cleaner in them or too
much alcohol, other high octanes like Esso work great.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca...
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:WcOdnQEbgtTGP1DfRVn-1g@ez2.net...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > > 3) What is an "Induction Flush" how important is it? Is it worth approx
> > > > > $150 to have done?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a giant bottle of snake oil. You can buy a few small bottles of
> > > > snake oil at the auto parts store and pour one in with every fill up for the
> > > > next several weeks.
> > >
> > > Or just use Chevron gasoline... Shell gas also has
> > > the high-tech additives in it now. This is one service
> > > you don't need... major boondoggle.
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
> >
> > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and my
> > engine went insane!
>
> Follow your owner's manual when choosing
> octane grades... it was not the brand, I'm
> betting.
> __
> Steve
> .

It was the additives I am sure. It has happened before.

I was running hot, hard and fully loaded and in those circumstances, my
owners manual calls for high test. My owners manuals both also forbid
any alcohol mix of any kind unless you need a little to get to real gas.

I also have a modified engine set up manually like a 1981 engine would
be with no computer controls and the minimum pollution controls.

It only happens with brands that have that super cleaner in them or too
much alcohol, other high octanes like Esso work great.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:39:13 +0000 (UTC), twillmon@cybermesa.net wrote:

>
>
>On 2005-07-09 42CE8018.22BE94DD@sympatico.ca said:
> >Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******,rec.autos.tech
> >Mike Romain proclaimed:
>[snip]
>
> >Since Bush Gas, I haven't been able to run Texaco, Chevron, or Shell
> >regular in a 95 4.0 without mild ping. Recently the local Valero
> >station ran out of midgrade, and it seems that their regular will
> >actually run without ping.
>I recently noticed the nearby (40 miles away) Diamond Shamrock (soon
>to be called Valero) pumps have sprouted gasohol stickers. Small-town
>station, no known additive strictures. Seems to run OK, unlike
>Albuquerque wintertime-mandated gasohol, which noticably slows my
>Honda Civic.
>
>Comment?

I remember gasohol from back in the '70's/early 80's. Smoothest
burning stuff since Esso Extra and Gulf NO-Nox! No loss of mileage in
my '65 IHC Scout, and never any water in the gas, either. It kept the
fuel system squeaky clean, too, and gave a decent octane boost.
(Change the fuel filter after the second tankful due to all the trash
it removes.) It was a mixture of gasoline and 10% anhydrous ethyl
alcohol (ethanol). The oil companies hated it, and launched a
short-lived misinformation campaign against it. But drivers loved it.

I must say that the gasoline sold then was different-the stuff we buy
now doesn't even smell remotely the same. I often wonder just how
much real gasoline is in a gallon of fuel now. Real gasoline is
primarily a mixture of n-heptane, octane, and nonane. BTW, all the
racing alcohol I've seen (and, admittedly, that isn't much) is
methanol, which is hard on rubber fuel line components but is about
the highest octane fuel around. It is often mixed with other fuels,
and those mixtures require a lot of modification to the fuel system.

Dan
>
>Tom Willmon
>near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA
>
>Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered