Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
09-13-2005, 08:18 PM
#21
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
That doesn't apply to standard radials, and hasn't in many years, only
unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.
Jerry
wraithyjeep wrote:
> this also applies to radials
> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays on
> their side just like mike said.
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>
>>You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>>them on one side.
>>
>>The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>>the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side tires
>>just swap back and front.
>>
>>This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>>Hey guys,
>>>
>>>Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
>>>;)
>>>
>>>Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>>>I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>>>would
>>>go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>>>around
>>>(to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>>>
>>>Rims are American racing 797's.
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.
Jerry
wraithyjeep wrote:
> this also applies to radials
> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays on
> their side just like mike said.
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>
>>You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>>them on one side.
>>
>>The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>>the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side tires
>>just swap back and front.
>>
>>This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>>Hey guys,
>>>
>>>Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
>>>;)
>>>
>>>Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>>>I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>>>would
>>>go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>>>around
>>>(to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>>>
>>>Rims are American racing 797's.
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
09-13-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
09-13-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
09-13-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
09-13-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43276B46.656364F1@sympatico.ca...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43275EE0.9F417496@sympatico.ca...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.
09-13-2005, 09:25 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
Well if you only have standard tires:
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
09-13-2005, 09:25 PM
#27
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
Well if you only have standard tires:
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
09-13-2005, 09:25 PM
#28
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
Well if you only have standard tires:
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
09-13-2005, 09:25 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
Well if you only have standard tires:
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
http://www.----------.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
09-13-2005, 09:53 PM
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Re: Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:18:09 -0700, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
>That doesn't apply to standard radials, and hasn't in many years, only
>unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.
I know that auto and tire manufactures all agree that cross rotation
of radial tires (except uni-directional tires) is the desired rotation
method.
What I'd like to know is why radial tires, when they were first made
popular, were restricted to same side rotation. I mean physically,
what was it that forced this deviation from the standard?
Second, what have they done to the design of radial tires that now
allows cross rotation?
Third, have these changes only made cross rotation possible, but not
necessarily good for the tires? That is, aside from uneven wear,
which is rotation method is actually better for the tire?
I'm pulling these numbers out of thin air, but they illustrate my
question.
Original radial tires:
Cross rotation has 10 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Same side has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Newer radial tires:
Cross rotation has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Same side has 2 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Does anybody know the actual failure rate?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
wrote:
>That doesn't apply to standard radials, and hasn't in many years, only
>unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.
I know that auto and tire manufactures all agree that cross rotation
of radial tires (except uni-directional tires) is the desired rotation
method.
What I'd like to know is why radial tires, when they were first made
popular, were restricted to same side rotation. I mean physically,
what was it that forced this deviation from the standard?
Second, what have they done to the design of radial tires that now
allows cross rotation?
Third, have these changes only made cross rotation possible, but not
necessarily good for the tires? That is, aside from uneven wear,
which is rotation method is actually better for the tire?
I'm pulling these numbers out of thin air, but they illustrate my
question.
Original radial tires:
Cross rotation has 10 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Same side has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Newer radial tires:
Cross rotation has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Same side has 2 failures in 1,000,000 miles
Does anybody know the actual failure rate?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com