Mike Romain

The 'footprint' is the issue as well as the PSI between the tire and
ground.

My tall skinny BFG muds were 'far' from cheap eh....

So figure it this way. On a 33x9.5" tire, my footprint is 7.5" wide.
Now figure 'say' a really big 15" wide 33" tire is there with a 15"
tread width for easy numbers.

The 15" tire is going to have about half of the PSI on the ground that
my 7.5" of width have.

This means they will spin really easy. You go nowhere fast when you
spin tires, you dig holes or you stay stopped.

Fat tire on the street in the snow get up on top so you lose steering
control at fairly low speed.

With 10.5's on my CJ7, I lost steering control about 45-50 mph in 4" of
snow on the highway. This is a serious **** off when the transports are
running 55+ mph...

So far with my 33x9.5's that measure 7.5" at the tread, I haven't found
the speed they lose control in the snow. I can run at 60 mph with no
issues so I can keep up with the trucks.

My 33x9.5's just plain don't spin. When I run up sand pit walls, I
leave this very distinctive tread mark all the way up. When the Jeep
with the 12.5-15's goes up, it leaves rooster tail marks until he digs
holes and stops.

Mud running almost isn't any fun any more, I don't get the top of my
Jeep muddy because my tires don't spin it up. If I have to clean all
the underneath, I want to look muddy on top too dammit!

There is a downside to having too much traction. LOL! ;-( I tear
engine mounts to shreds and even shattered the metal plates in the last
one and I blow out locking hubs all the time because I use Jeep ones,
not Warn heavy ones yet. Well, on one side I have a Warn, the other
side is still a 'fuse'.

If you have ever browsed my photo albums, note where I am at taking the
photos of folks trying to make it... The other side or the top eh. ;-)

Just my 0.02 for ya...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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Jon wrote:
>
> i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
> wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
> ..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
> to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
> thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth

Jumpin' Jiminy

On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:

>i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
>wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
>..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
>to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
>thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth


Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.

He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.

I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.

I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
need to move.

JJ

Jumpin' Jiminy

On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:

>i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
>wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
>..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
>to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
>thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth


Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.

He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.

I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.

I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
need to move.

JJ

Jumpin' Jiminy

On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:

>i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
>wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
>..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
>to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
>thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth


Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.

He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.

I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.

I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
need to move.

JJ

Jumpin' Jiminy

On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:

>i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
>wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
>..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
>to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
>thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth


Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.

He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.

I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.

I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
need to move.

JJ

Earle Horton

The best foot print depends on anticipated use. You are not going to find a
single tire that is "the best" for rock crawling, sand, mud, freeway
commuting, and white knuckle ice covered mountain passes. You are going to
have to do some research, and to make some compromises. This is true in
general.

Earle

"Jumpin' Jiminy" <jumpin_jiminy72plus3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc0502lofgs4qhvfbdes7b8bd8b36bnmv4@4ax.com...
> On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
> >wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
> >..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
> >to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
> >thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth
>
>
> Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
> 33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
> thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.
>
> He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
> mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.
>
> I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
> then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
> but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.
>
> I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
> are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
> they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
> to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
> need to move.
>
> JJ

Earle Horton

The best foot print depends on anticipated use. You are not going to find a
single tire that is "the best" for rock crawling, sand, mud, freeway
commuting, and white knuckle ice covered mountain passes. You are going to
have to do some research, and to make some compromises. This is true in
general.

Earle

"Jumpin' Jiminy" <jumpin_jiminy72plus3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc0502lofgs4qhvfbdes7b8bd8b36bnmv4@4ax.com...
> On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
> >wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
> >..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
> >to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
> >thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth
>
>
> Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
> 33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
> thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.
>
> He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
> mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.
>
> I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
> then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
> but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.
>
> I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
> are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
> they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
> to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
> need to move.
>
> JJ

Earle Horton

The best foot print depends on anticipated use. You are not going to find a
single tire that is "the best" for rock crawling, sand, mud, freeway
commuting, and white knuckle ice covered mountain passes. You are going to
have to do some research, and to make some compromises. This is true in
general.

Earle

"Jumpin' Jiminy" <jumpin_jiminy72plus3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc0502lofgs4qhvfbdes7b8bd8b36bnmv4@4ax.com...
> On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
> >wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
> >..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
> >to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
> >thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth
>
>
> Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
> 33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
> thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.
>
> He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
> mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.
>
> I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
> then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
> but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.
>
> I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
> are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
> they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
> to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
> need to move.
>
> JJ

Earle Horton

The best foot print depends on anticipated use. You are not going to find a
single tire that is "the best" for rock crawling, sand, mud, freeway
commuting, and white knuckle ice covered mountain passes. You are going to
have to do some research, and to make some compromises. This is true in
general.

Earle

"Jumpin' Jiminy" <jumpin_jiminy72plus3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc0502lofgs4qhvfbdes7b8bd8b36bnmv4@4ax.com...
> On 24 Feb 2006 11:31:26 -0800, "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >i talked to some people and they say that its all about the foot print.
> >wider tires are better cuz they have bigger foot print, also that
> >..lol.. the people that say tall n skinny are people that are too cheap
> >to upgrade to bigger tires. seems with evrthing in life everone one has
> >thier own opion.. just gotta find out what one is the truth
>
>
> Mike likes to recommend tires that went out of production years ago.
> 33x9.5" BFG Muds haven't been made since the last century. I'm
> thinking his tread is wearing mighty thin these days.
>
> He does have the right idea though. You'll get better traction & gas
> mileage with the pizza cutters. They just don't look very exciting.
>
> I went with 32x10.5" Goodyear MTR's myself and really like them but
> then my jeep is parked for the winter. They are great in fresh powder
> but icy roads on wide muds is a scary experience I can do without.
>
> I would suggest you find a new place to get tire advice from. If they
> are saying things like 'tall n skinny are people that are too cheap..'
> they really don't know what they are talking about and are just trying
> to sell you a product they are trying to move rather then what you
> need to move.
>
> JJ

twaldron

Well said, Earle. It doesn't get any 'plainer' that that. Many people
have 'street sets' and 'trail sets' for the terrain they wheel in. If
you've got the storage space, that is the way to go. Plus, you can get
the bling wheels for the street and steel ugliness for the trail. ;)

tw
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Earle Horton wrote:
> The best foot print depends on anticipated use. You are not going to find a
> single tire that is "the best" for rock crawling, sand, mud, freeway
> commuting, and white knuckle ice covered mountain passes. You are going to
> have to do some research, and to make some compromises. This is true in
> general.
>
> Earle