RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
08-23-2007, 11:31 PM
#151
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> any other mods besides slapping it on?
Yes.
You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
parallel with the front driveshaft.
This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
swaay-bar disconnected.
http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ
'06 TJ.
08-23-2007, 11:31 PM
#152
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> any other mods besides slapping it on?
Yes.
You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
parallel with the front driveshaft.
This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
swaay-bar disconnected.
http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ
'06 TJ.
08-23-2007, 11:31 PM
#153
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> any other mods besides slapping it on?
Yes.
You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
parallel with the front driveshaft.
This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
swaay-bar disconnected.
http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ
'06 TJ.
08-24-2007, 09:42 AM
#154
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
What 'are' you talking about?
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
08-24-2007, 09:42 AM
#155
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
What 'are' you talking about?
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
08-24-2007, 09:42 AM
#156
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
What 'are' you talking about?
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
08-24-2007, 09:42 AM
#157
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
What 'are' you talking about?
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
enough to matter.
You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
because my height will be off by at least 2".
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
>> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
>> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> parallel with the front driveshaft.
> This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> swaay-bar disconnected.
> http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ
> '06 TJ.
>
>
08-24-2007, 10:06 AM
#158
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Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
On Aug 24, 9:42 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> What 'are' you talking about?
>
> The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
> at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
> enough to matter.
>
> You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
>
> By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
> because my height will be off by at least 2".
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
> >> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> >> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> > parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> > transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> > have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> > elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> > washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> > vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> > increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> > You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> > parallel with the front driveshaft.
> > This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> > important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> > axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> > The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> > If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> > will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> > say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> > This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> > swaay-bar disconnected.
> >http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> > But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> > details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> > the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> > Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> > '96 XJ
> > '06 TJ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yippee!! I got my BF Goodrich Mud Terrains today! I will be getting
them installed this weekend. They are the 31 X 10.5 X 15. They are
AWESOME looking!
I just have a question. I will be getting a 2.25" coil spacer lift
with new shocks sometime in the near future. I just wanted to get the
new tires and get them put on first before I did the lift. Do I need
an alignment with new tires, or should I wait until I get the lift
done to get the alignment?
THANKS
> What 'are' you talking about?
>
> The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
> at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
> enough to matter.
>
> You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
>
> By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
> because my height will be off by at least 2".
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
> >> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> >> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> > parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> > transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> > have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> > elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> > washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> > vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> > increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> > You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> > parallel with the front driveshaft.
> > This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> > important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> > axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> > The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> > If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> > will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> > say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> > This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> > swaay-bar disconnected.
> >http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> > But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> > details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> > the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> > Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> > '96 XJ
> > '06 TJ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yippee!! I got my BF Goodrich Mud Terrains today! I will be getting
them installed this weekend. They are the 31 X 10.5 X 15. They are
AWESOME looking!
I just have a question. I will be getting a 2.25" coil spacer lift
with new shocks sometime in the near future. I just wanted to get the
new tires and get them put on first before I did the lift. Do I need
an alignment with new tires, or should I wait until I get the lift
done to get the alignment?
THANKS
08-24-2007, 10:06 AM
#159
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
On Aug 24, 9:42 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> What 'are' you talking about?
>
> The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
> at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
> enough to matter.
>
> You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
>
> By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
> because my height will be off by at least 2".
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
> >> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> >> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> > parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> > transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> > have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> > elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> > washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> > vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> > increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> > You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> > parallel with the front driveshaft.
> > This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> > important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> > axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> > The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> > If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> > will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> > say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> > This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> > swaay-bar disconnected.
> >http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> > But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> > details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> > the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> > Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> > '96 XJ
> > '06 TJ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yippee!! I got my BF Goodrich Mud Terrains today! I will be getting
them installed this weekend. They are the 31 X 10.5 X 15. They are
AWESOME looking!
I just have a question. I will be getting a 2.25" coil spacer lift
with new shocks sometime in the near future. I just wanted to get the
new tires and get them put on first before I did the lift. Do I need
an alignment with new tires, or should I wait until I get the lift
done to get the alignment?
THANKS
> What 'are' you talking about?
>
> The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
> at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
> enough to matter.
>
> You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
>
> By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
> because my height will be off by at least 2".
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
> >> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> >> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> > parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> > transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> > have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> > elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> > washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> > vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> > increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> > You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> > parallel with the front driveshaft.
> > This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> > important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> > axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> > The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> > If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> > will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> > say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> > This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> > swaay-bar disconnected.
> >http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> > But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> > details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> > the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> > Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> > '96 XJ
> > '06 TJ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yippee!! I got my BF Goodrich Mud Terrains today! I will be getting
them installed this weekend. They are the 31 X 10.5 X 15. They are
AWESOME looking!
I just have a question. I will be getting a 2.25" coil spacer lift
with new shocks sometime in the near future. I just wanted to get the
new tires and get them put on first before I did the lift. Do I need
an alignment with new tires, or should I wait until I get the lift
done to get the alignment?
THANKS
08-24-2007, 10:06 AM
#160
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X
On Aug 24, 9:42 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> What 'are' you talking about?
>
> The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
> at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
> enough to matter.
>
> You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
>
> By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
> because my height will be off by at least 2".
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
> >> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> >> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> > parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> > transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> > have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> > elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> > washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> > vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> > increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> > You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> > parallel with the front driveshaft.
> > This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> > important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> > axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> > The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> > If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> > will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> > say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> > This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> > swaay-bar disconnected.
> >http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> > But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> > details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> > the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> > Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> > '96 XJ
> > '06 TJ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yippee!! I got my BF Goodrich Mud Terrains today! I will be getting
them installed this weekend. They are the 31 X 10.5 X 15. They are
AWESOME looking!
I just have a question. I will be getting a 2.25" coil spacer lift
with new shocks sometime in the near future. I just wanted to get the
new tires and get them put on first before I did the lift. Do I need
an alignment with new tires, or should I wait until I get the lift
done to get the alignment?
THANKS
> What 'are' you talking about?
>
> The front has a double cardan or CV joint already so needs 'no tweaking'
> at all even for a larger lift and a 2" is not going to change the rear
> enough to matter.
>
> You get that much/more change with a load on or off.
>
> By your reckoning if I put 4 people and gear in my Jeep, it won't drive
> because my height will be off by at least 2".
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos wrote:
> >> 2.) With the 2" spacer lift, would I have to drop the t-case or do
> >> any other mods besides slapping it on?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > You have to turn the rear axle forward, so that the pinion axis is almost
> > parallel (a bit lower) to the transfer case output shaft. Or drop the
> > transfer case 1/2 inch. Turning the rear axle forward will cost more if you
> > have a shop do it for you (requires either adjustable lower arms, or
> > elongating the upper arms rear mounting holes and installing an eccentric
> > washer to set the pinion angle). You may not be sensitive enough to feel the
> > vibes, but even with 1 inch lift, the pinion angle gets misaligned,
> > increasing mechanical noise and u-joint wear.
>
> > You also MUST rotate the front axle towards the rear to make the pinion axis
> > parallel with the front driveshaft.
> > This will restore the caster angle to factory specification, which is very
> > important to limit the occurence of death wobble. The toe-in on the front
> > axle must be set after the pinion angle is set for the front axle.
>
> > The 2" spacer lift and 31" M/T tire combination is a very good combination.
> > If you disconnect the front sway-bar the off-road capability of your rig
> > will be dramatically increased compared to what it is right now. With the
> > say-bar connected, your on-road behavior will not be much affected.
> > This is a picture of a 2006 TJ with 2" spacer lift and 235R15 tires with the
> > swaay-bar disconnected.
> >http://alma-tech.com/tmp/tj_flex.jpg
>
> > But you must find a shop that is willing to deal with all the "minor"
> > details required to make the car run comfortable and safe as it was prior to
> > the lift (fine tune the pinion angles).
>
> > Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> > '96 XJ
> > '06 TJ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yippee!! I got my BF Goodrich Mud Terrains today! I will be getting
them installed this weekend. They are the 31 X 10.5 X 15. They are
AWESOME looking!
I just have a question. I will be getting a 2.25" coil spacer lift
with new shocks sometime in the near future. I just wanted to get the
new tires and get them put on first before I did the lift. Do I need
an alignment with new tires, or should I wait until I get the lift
done to get the alignment?
THANKS