Patrick Mills

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:14:38 -0800, L.W.------ wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> You're thinking of the 390 mm metric wheels used in the early
> eighties to dress up the rally GT style cars, they were 15.6 inches.
> For offroad we want as big, fat, balloon, floatation type tire that
> will still fit around the hub and brakes, and fifteen inch rims do that
> for most Jeeps, for on road stability you want as low a profile that
> will not flex, but maintain as much contact with the pavement as
> possible, here's what you need: http://www.----------.com/jeep21rim.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------

interesting picture...excuse me while I throw up............ahh - that's
better

Since you like to collect the odd pic now and then, I think you'll
enjoy this:

http://www.cardomain.com/id/jeepdubs2003

PLM
[ ]
__OIIIIO__
|||=oo=|||
||| |||

Patrick Mills

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:14:38 -0800, L.W.------ wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> You're thinking of the 390 mm metric wheels used in the early
> eighties to dress up the rally GT style cars, they were 15.6 inches.
> For offroad we want as big, fat, balloon, floatation type tire that
> will still fit around the hub and brakes, and fifteen inch rims do that
> for most Jeeps, for on road stability you want as low a profile that
> will not flex, but maintain as much contact with the pavement as
> possible, here's what you need: http://www.----------.com/jeep21rim.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------

interesting picture...excuse me while I throw up............ahh - that's
better

Since you like to collect the odd pic now and then, I think you'll
enjoy this:

http://www.cardomain.com/id/jeepdubs2003

PLM
[ ]
__OIIIIO__
|||=oo=|||
||| |||

Carlo

so much for that theory...............

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:IbTVb.28069$1O.27583@fed1read05...
> The Rubi can run 15" or 16" wheels, it uses 16" (probably) due to larger
> wheels being more stylish right now.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Carlo" <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Pc2dnU1CM6c6ZrrdRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > I would consider using 16" wheels if needed to provide clearance for
> larger
> > calipers - don't know if that has anything to do with the reason the
rubi
> > has them....
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:102fjd79t1kas19@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Patrick Mills" <plm1954_R_E_M_O_V_E@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> > > news:pan.2004.02.09.10.50.33.915880@ix.netcom.com. ..
> > > > I'm trying to learn about the pros and cons of 15" vs. 16" tire
rims -
> > > > especially with respect to onroad vs. offroad use
> > > >
> > > > Research so far appears to reveal the following general
> beliefs/"facts":
> > > >
> > > > 1) All else equal, 15" rims may be better offroad due to higher tire
> > > > sidewall (increased flex)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Correct. The sidewalls - and more accurately, the shoulder of the
> tread -
> > is
> > > a very important traction aid when the tires are aired-down. But, when
> the
> > > tires are aired down, the rim can be exposed to more damage if the
> > sidewalls
> > > are smaller.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) 16" rims may be better onroad, due to less tire sidewall
(decreased
> > > > flex)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Again, correct. The smaller sidewalls have less flex, therefore they
> > provide
> > > a more sure footed driving experience on the highway.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3) 16" rims fit only metric-sized tires (? is this correct?), but
such
> > > > tires tend to cost more (? again, is this true?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have to do some research on this one, but my knee-jerk response is
> that
> > > you are wrong on this point. The metric size that comes on the Rubi
can
> be
> > > translated into a 31x9.50 or 31x10.50 (I forget which). But, I am
almost
> > 99%
> > > positive that you can get a 32" ~ 35" on a 16" rim.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 4) Despite "fact" #1, 16" rims are preferred for rock crawling (if
> true,
> > > > why?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure this is true. Given the explanation that I used, I would
> > lean
> > > towards the 15" as the better choice. I happen to think that the Rubi
> has
> > > other features that make the 16" tires an "acceptable risk."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 5) Internationally, 16" rims are more "standard" and tires to fit
them
> > are
> > > > more readily available
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't think this is true at all. 15" rims have been around for
> decades,
> > > 16" is a relatively new option.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 6) Generally speaking, 16" tires may be used more widely by SUV
> > > > manufacturers who realize the primary use of such vehicles is onroad
> (?
> > if
> > > > true, why would Jeep choose 16" tires as the standard rim size for
the
> > > > Rubicon, unless "fact" #4 is actually true?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a good question, one that I have asked myself. I think that in
> the
> > > grand scheme of things, the manufacturer has to be concerned with
> > liability
> > > issues relative to tall tires. I suppose they can mitigate some of
those
> > > issues with a larger rim. I really don't think the manufacturers set
out
> > to
> > > build the extreme rock crawlers that we so enjoy. They look at what we
> do,
> > > and try to blend the needs of highway safety with the desire for
extreme
> > > offroading, and the 16" tires on the Rubi are a happy medium where
these
> > two
> > > worlds meet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Carlo

so much for that theory...............

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:IbTVb.28069$1O.27583@fed1read05...
> The Rubi can run 15" or 16" wheels, it uses 16" (probably) due to larger
> wheels being more stylish right now.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Carlo" <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Pc2dnU1CM6c6ZrrdRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > I would consider using 16" wheels if needed to provide clearance for
> larger
> > calipers - don't know if that has anything to do with the reason the
rubi
> > has them....
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:102fjd79t1kas19@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Patrick Mills" <plm1954_R_E_M_O_V_E@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> > > news:pan.2004.02.09.10.50.33.915880@ix.netcom.com. ..
> > > > I'm trying to learn about the pros and cons of 15" vs. 16" tire
rims -
> > > > especially with respect to onroad vs. offroad use
> > > >
> > > > Research so far appears to reveal the following general
> beliefs/"facts":
> > > >
> > > > 1) All else equal, 15" rims may be better offroad due to higher tire
> > > > sidewall (increased flex)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Correct. The sidewalls - and more accurately, the shoulder of the
> tread -
> > is
> > > a very important traction aid when the tires are aired-down. But, when
> the
> > > tires are aired down, the rim can be exposed to more damage if the
> > sidewalls
> > > are smaller.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) 16" rims may be better onroad, due to less tire sidewall
(decreased
> > > > flex)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Again, correct. The smaller sidewalls have less flex, therefore they
> > provide
> > > a more sure footed driving experience on the highway.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3) 16" rims fit only metric-sized tires (? is this correct?), but
such
> > > > tires tend to cost more (? again, is this true?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have to do some research on this one, but my knee-jerk response is
> that
> > > you are wrong on this point. The metric size that comes on the Rubi
can
> be
> > > translated into a 31x9.50 or 31x10.50 (I forget which). But, I am
almost
> > 99%
> > > positive that you can get a 32" ~ 35" on a 16" rim.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 4) Despite "fact" #1, 16" rims are preferred for rock crawling (if
> true,
> > > > why?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure this is true. Given the explanation that I used, I would
> > lean
> > > towards the 15" as the better choice. I happen to think that the Rubi
> has
> > > other features that make the 16" tires an "acceptable risk."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 5) Internationally, 16" rims are more "standard" and tires to fit
them
> > are
> > > > more readily available
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't think this is true at all. 15" rims have been around for
> decades,
> > > 16" is a relatively new option.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 6) Generally speaking, 16" tires may be used more widely by SUV
> > > > manufacturers who realize the primary use of such vehicles is onroad
> (?
> > if
> > > > true, why would Jeep choose 16" tires as the standard rim size for
the
> > > > Rubicon, unless "fact" #4 is actually true?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a good question, one that I have asked myself. I think that in
> the
> > > grand scheme of things, the manufacturer has to be concerned with
> > liability
> > > issues relative to tall tires. I suppose they can mitigate some of
those
> > > issues with a larger rim. I really don't think the manufacturers set
out
> > to
> > > build the extreme rock crawlers that we so enjoy. They look at what we
> do,
> > > and try to blend the needs of highway safety with the desire for
extreme
> > > offroading, and the 16" tires on the Rubi are a happy medium where
these
> > two
> > > worlds meet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Carlo

so much for that theory...............

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:IbTVb.28069$1O.27583@fed1read05...
> The Rubi can run 15" or 16" wheels, it uses 16" (probably) due to larger
> wheels being more stylish right now.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Carlo" <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Pc2dnU1CM6c6ZrrdRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > I would consider using 16" wheels if needed to provide clearance for
> larger
> > calipers - don't know if that has anything to do with the reason the
rubi
> > has them....
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:102fjd79t1kas19@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Patrick Mills" <plm1954_R_E_M_O_V_E@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> > > news:pan.2004.02.09.10.50.33.915880@ix.netcom.com. ..
> > > > I'm trying to learn about the pros and cons of 15" vs. 16" tire
rims -
> > > > especially with respect to onroad vs. offroad use
> > > >
> > > > Research so far appears to reveal the following general
> beliefs/"facts":
> > > >
> > > > 1) All else equal, 15" rims may be better offroad due to higher tire
> > > > sidewall (increased flex)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Correct. The sidewalls - and more accurately, the shoulder of the
> tread -
> > is
> > > a very important traction aid when the tires are aired-down. But, when
> the
> > > tires are aired down, the rim can be exposed to more damage if the
> > sidewalls
> > > are smaller.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2) 16" rims may be better onroad, due to less tire sidewall
(decreased
> > > > flex)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Again, correct. The smaller sidewalls have less flex, therefore they
> > provide
> > > a more sure footed driving experience on the highway.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3) 16" rims fit only metric-sized tires (? is this correct?), but
such
> > > > tires tend to cost more (? again, is this true?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have to do some research on this one, but my knee-jerk response is
> that
> > > you are wrong on this point. The metric size that comes on the Rubi
can
> be
> > > translated into a 31x9.50 or 31x10.50 (I forget which). But, I am
almost
> > 99%
> > > positive that you can get a 32" ~ 35" on a 16" rim.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 4) Despite "fact" #1, 16" rims are preferred for rock crawling (if
> true,
> > > > why?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure this is true. Given the explanation that I used, I would
> > lean
> > > towards the 15" as the better choice. I happen to think that the Rubi
> has
> > > other features that make the 16" tires an "acceptable risk."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 5) Internationally, 16" rims are more "standard" and tires to fit
them
> > are
> > > > more readily available
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't think this is true at all. 15" rims have been around for
> decades,
> > > 16" is a relatively new option.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 6) Generally speaking, 16" tires may be used more widely by SUV
> > > > manufacturers who realize the primary use of such vehicles is onroad
> (?
> > if
> > > > true, why would Jeep choose 16" tires as the standard rim size for
the
> > > > Rubicon, unless "fact" #4 is actually true?)
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a good question, one that I have asked myself. I think that in
> the
> > > grand scheme of things, the manufacturer has to be concerned with
> > liability
> > > issues relative to tall tires. I suppose they can mitigate some of
those
> > > issues with a larger rim. I really don't think the manufacturers set
out
> > to
> > > build the extreme rock crawlers that we so enjoy. They look at what we
> do,
> > > and try to blend the needs of highway safety with the desire for
extreme
> > > offroading, and the 16" tires on the Rubi are a happy medium where
these
> > two
> > > worlds meet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Carlo,
That's very true with Ford and GM, next time you're by that little
Lincoln LS look at it's four piston, foot long calibers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Carlo wrote:
>
> so much for that theory...............
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Carlo,
That's very true with Ford and GM, next time you're by that little
Lincoln LS look at it's four piston, foot long calibers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Carlo wrote:
>
> so much for that theory...............
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Carlo,
That's very true with Ford and GM, next time you're by that little
Lincoln LS look at it's four piston, foot long calibers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Carlo wrote:
>
> so much for that theory...............
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang